Illegal Immigration (My Personal Anecdote)

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Yeah you're absolutely right! It's all those skanky taxpayers who have caused all the trouble. Maybe they should all be rounded up & executed! Serves them all right....after all. Invading land that once belonged to someone else. Make them pay with their lives!! ! Give me a break.

Here's another issue: How much money is wasted on needless translations for stuff? If everything was printed in one single language, the gov't could save a tn of money. They wouldn't need to print ballots in multiple languages, signs, text books, etc. They also could save money on translators. My maternal grandmother who came here from Germany was required to learn English as a girl. She didn't get special ed to teach her in her native language...she had to either pick up English or fail in the process. Thousands of others faced the same situation. Now our gov't feels it has to print things in Chinese, Spanish, Hindi, Korean, Japanese, etc etc etc. How much more money is going to be pilfered just on this one situation alone?

Another ignorant, monolingual American sure that it's all those 'others' causing the problem.
You know what the voter's pamphlet says about bond measures funded by borrowing rather than taxes? "No fiscal impact."
'Course, you'd only know that if you not only vote in California but also try to research the issues you're voting on.
We have paid signature gatherers making $1 or more for every individual they can get to sign a petition to put something on the ballot, and rich foundations writing weasel-worded measures to give themselves pork and tax breaks by the 'will of the voter.'

Try looking at the actual numbers instead of just spouting off hypothetical scenarios based on your prejudice.

I'm sorry...but you assume too much about my background. I actually know 4 languages...one nearly as fluent as English. Still wasteful spending...there's plenty of places tax dollars are wasted & printing in multiple languages is one. I'm not backing down. Another: politicians who gleefully line their own pockets. I'm sure you'll take issue with this....they deserve to rape the gov't & taxpayers of money, etc.

Its because the mexian people do not like the fact that they come from a mixed ethnic

background of Spaniard and Aztec descent I come from a German Irish and Cherokee

background my father is 3/4th cherokee and my mother has a lot of Irish and German in her

most natives identify themselfs by what tribe their from but not as natives we hate being called that.

Of course overpaid politicians should be sharply corrected where they exist, but once again please look at the actual numbers before hypothesizing willy-nilly.

Don't let being wrong make you back down.
Stay strong and stay wrong, little buddy.

What you're not going to back up politicians? I'm truly shocked. I thought you'd be on their side.

Oh & btw, if I am truly ignorant as you claim...blame the state of California where I got my lousy education. I didn't have a lot of energy to learn because I was too busy trying to survive the bullying at school & abuse at home.

Ok your stupid cuz of the California education system.
But how did you become a whiny baby?
The embedded Irony in that moan you got
"my life sucks because of poor and powerless people"
are you more pobre and Piňche then them?
Stop crying and blaming other people for the fact you life sucks.

You're acting like bully. Calling me names? How childish can you get! You have no idea what I've been through. I am not whining. Come on...you want to fight? Try me. You haven't a clue of what I've endured in my life. You think I can't handle you after the physical abuse I've been through? Think again.

Alright, lady & gentleman, I want a clean fight, no foreign objects (no pun intended)

These are all emotional appeals I really do not have logical answers.
so instead I will say I am sorry your life sucks but I can bet some good money
the people that made it suck where your close kin and not some dudes from mexico.

number two, We should base border policy on your hard luck story?
Oh, Tomboy in Cali does not like Mexicans so ship them out?
Logic does not apply statistics do not apply.
Please get some facts get some figures and leave the trauma for your Momma.

Really? I had some pretty uncomfortable situations with Hispanics (can't say Mexican because I never bothered to ask what their nationality was). Why because I lived in a neighborhood that was primarily Hispanic. Some of them in groups were pretty threatening. Had I been alone, I'm sure they would have not stopped at just saying crude things about me & staring at me like I was naked. I'm sure I would have been gang raped...because that's the attitude THEY projected. None of the people in California who caused me trouble were biological relatives. Not a single one. Bio family lives in the mid-west.

As far as Hispanics/any immigrant, not just Border Bros. go...they're fine as long as they come here LEGALLY. Not crossing borders using stupid excuses like "We didn't cross the border, the border crossed us." Lame...ignorant, it's all the same. Not jumping fences, or sneaking in by way of boats, tunnels, etc. I am all for LEGAL immigration. That's where my beef lies. Got a problem with that? I am all about doing things the right way, not the easy way or the ILLEGAL way. Btw, Mexico has quite the opposite view when it comes to people invading its borders ILLEGALLY. It's shoot to kill first, & ask questions later. Few people dare to mess with Mexico's borders.

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Nobody had any choice about who their ancestors were so it's foolish to take any pride in it or sense of entitlement from it. Nobody is from someplace where conquering invaders didn't come in and take over. People resembling Australian Aborigines were in the Americas before the people we now know as Native Americans were here. Europe was inhabited by Neanderthals before Homo Sapien Sapiens showed up. None of it has anything to do with here and now. We're all individuals. I doubt if any of us had anything to do with subjugation of long-dead people. My family was stripped of it's station in Ireland a few hundred years ago, I'm not going to go all indignant and self-justified mucking things up back there. My dad grew up in a 3-decker tenement in South Boston and would play in home-made cardboard shoes as a child because his mother didn't want him wearing out his real shoes. You'll have a hard time convincing me that he benefited from slavery and the subjugation of Native American peoples and therefore bears some responsibility for s**t that long-dead people did to long-dead people hundreds of years ago.

We either have the rule of law or we don't. You either want to play by the rules or you don't. Throwing in all this nonsensical claptrap about the ludicrous social construct known as "race" won't get anybody anywhere.

That number is nonsense. I think a more meaningful number is likely about a $9 billion dollar annual gap between direct transfers for services to undocument immigrants and tax income. Now, sure, that looks like a big outlay.

But that same figure would exist for any segment of the population that involved primarily low-income earners. The vast majority of California's spending on undocument aliens (about $7.7bn) is in education. How many US citizens in California don't pay as much in taxes as it costs to educate their children? This is not a phenomenon restricted to undocumented aliens--it is a phenomenon that attaches to every low-income earner?

So the real test is not "what's the difference between expenditure and revenue" for an individual resident. The real test is, "what happens to the state economy if those 3 million residents disappear?"

Conservatively, I'd estimate that there are 3 million undocumented aliens in California, and that they generate about 40 billion dollars in economic activity. (That's about $13,000 - $14,000 of spending per person). $40billion of direct spending probably creates about 3 million jobs, which generate indirect income tax revenue. $40 billion of economic activity generates sales tax revenue. 3 million people occupy housing--assuming 1.8 people per household, a loss of 3 million residents would create 1.6 million housing vacancies. This would create permanent unemployment in occupations related to construction and maintenance (with a consequent loss of tax revenue).

It's very easy to fling numbers about that suggest that immgrants take more than they contribute--but once you start doing the real math, it becomes apparent that the picture is not that clear.

This is backed up by some pretty basic observations: illegal immigration goes up when demand for cheap labour goes up. When demand for cheap labour falls, then so does the rate of illegal immigration. In the past four years, the US has seen a net reduction in the undocumented population that corresponded with the recession. This leads to a pretty clear, intuitive argument that migrants are chasing jobs--and if they are chasing jobs, then they are creating more value.

The answer to illegal immigration is not, I suggest, a bigger, better fence. It is created a legitimate means of access for migrant workers to enter, work in and leave the US.

There was also the time where businesses put out signs warning the Irish not to apply for jobs. Irish were Europe's Mexicans & were looked upon quite poorly. Good for you for not trying to expect a handout from the gov't for ancestors being treated shabbily.

This is exactly what my point is...that people are people. I don't care what race someone is....there are laws about how people can integrate into America. If they don't like the laws, don't come! Don't show up with a hand out expecting something for nothing! The country is in debt, & there's no money left. Don't like it? Neither do citizens, but we're expected to work & pay taxes to keep the country going. No one should ever expect a free lunch just because of where they came from....whenever that was or whatever the situation. It's time to make the best of it.

You live in BC. How is it you claim to know so much about this state? I find it odd that you even want to involve yourself in this situation. Unless you really don't live in BC.

The problem is enforcing migrant workers whether they're heading in or out of state. There's no law here that works/no migrant laws as there are in Europe. The gov't is strapped for cash now....who do you suppose should pay for workers to oversee migrant workers & how do we pay for funding? Also, legal residents are fleeing California in record numbers. Why? Too high taxes in a state that makes it next to impossible to do business. Many are heading to Texas where someone can get a business going in a few months vs. years.

Hispanics here where I live are the majority...not the minority. Whites have mostly left the state...they keep leaving. Incoming are other ethnicities from Asia, India, & the Middle East. There's not many native Californians left, & I can guarantee that as soon as I have the necessary money to leave, I'm gone too. Few people here speak English. I'm expected to now know not just Spanish, but Chinese as well. God only knows what other languages I'll have to pick up just to get by.