23 Sep 2011, 10:56 am
Ancalagon wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
there is less demand for strippers, so it's not a good counterpoint.
The point is that there is good-paying work that has significant drawbacks. Demand doesn't have anything to do with it.
being a teacher or social worker has drawbacks too (high burnout rate). stripping is not really comparable to working on the rigs in any other way except that it doesn't require higher education. perhaps waitressing or working in retail could be comparable... again, but they don't pay much. there are not many unskilled jobs that women can do that pay very much... AND that have high demand.
Ancalagon wrote:
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and *someone* needs to work the rigs to keep the economy strong. strippers are not necessary in this way.
Necessity is also beside the point.
i disagree. necessity drives demand and keeps people employed in an industry. it is rare to be employed as a stripper.
Ancalagon wrote:
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strippers also don't usually make much money.
what is your question there? do you have some labour market statistics?
23 Sep 2011, 3:38 pm
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23 Sep 2011, 5:44 pm
hyperlexian wrote:
stripping is not really comparable to working on the rigs in any other way except that it doesn't require higher education.
It pays well without requiring a degree. That's about it, but that's all the analogy needs.
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there are not many unskilled jobs that women can do that pay very much... AND that have high demand.
Is there a restriction that disallows women from working the rigs?
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i disagree. necessity drives demand and keeps people employed in an industry. it is rare to be employed as a stripper.
Economic necessity is relevant to economics, and we're talking about education.
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Ancalagon wrote:
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strippers also don't usually make much money.
what is your question there? do you have some labour market statistics?
Where you got this idea. Everything I know about this says the exact opposite.
23 Sep 2011, 5:46 pm
23 Sep 2011, 6:44 pm
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
LKL wrote:
If a man can get a job that pays as well as the job a woman needs a batchelor's degree for, without any college at all, why should he go tens of thousands of dollars into debt if he's happy with that level of pay?
I agree that there is a marked difference in the numbers of boys vs. girls being accepted to university; I'm just not sure that it's as much of a problem as has been claimed. Certainly it's not some sort of feminist conspiracy to 'feminize' the curriculum at lower levels.
I agree that there is a marked difference in the numbers of boys vs. girls being accepted to university; I'm just not sure that it's as much of a problem as has been claimed. Certainly it's not some sort of feminist conspiracy to 'feminize' the curriculum at lower levels.
Actually there is at the Elementary school level, a girls fine motor skills develop earlier than a a boy's. They are now pushing things that a girl is able to do like cursive at an earlier age, but a boy just doesn't have the fine motor to do cursive yet.
If you set a little kid up to fail in kindergarden and pre-school, you've generally caused them to stop trying at the higher grade levels.
Is that your excuse? They started pushing "cursive" on you at too tender of an age?
Actually, I have my Bachelors Degree, thank you kindly.
23 Sep 2011, 6:58 pm
Ancalagon wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
there is less demand for strippers, so it's not a good counterpoint.
The point is that there is good-paying work that has significant drawbacks. Demand doesn't have anything to do with it.
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and *someone* needs to work the rigs to keep the economy strong. strippers are not necessary in this way.
Necessity is also beside the point.
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strippers also don't usually make much money.
89717 - Strippers
Cut and arrange film into flats (layout sheets resembling a film negative of text in its final form) which are used to make plates. Prepare separate flat for each color. in precision printing.
both men and women can do it it only pays 14.50 an hour in my area and jobs are hard to get now with the shift to digital.
exotic dancers on the other hand make bank.
sometimes $300 $400 a night but somehow they can never make their cell phone bills
23 Sep 2011, 7:38 pm
23 Sep 2011, 7:55 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
LKL wrote:
If a man can get a job that pays as well as the job a woman needs a batchelor's degree for, without any college at all, why should he go tens of thousands of dollars into debt if he's happy with that level of pay?
I agree that there is a marked difference in the numbers of boys vs. girls being accepted to university; I'm just not sure that it's as much of a problem as has been claimed. Certainly it's not some sort of feminist conspiracy to 'feminize' the curriculum at lower levels.
I agree that there is a marked difference in the numbers of boys vs. girls being accepted to university; I'm just not sure that it's as much of a problem as has been claimed. Certainly it's not some sort of feminist conspiracy to 'feminize' the curriculum at lower levels.
Actually there is at the Elementary school level, a girls fine motor skills develop earlier than a a boy's. They are now pushing things that a girl is able to do like cursive at an earlier age, but a boy just doesn't have the fine motor to do cursive yet.
If you set a little kid up to fail in kindergarden and pre-school, you've generally caused them to stop trying at the higher grade levels.
Is that your excuse? They started pushing "cursive" on you at too tender of an age?
Actually, I have my Bachelors Degree, thank you kindly.
I know. You kept getting promoted along, until you finished your BA. And, you still have severe problems with basic English syntax.
23 Sep 2011, 7:57 pm
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
LKL wrote:
If a man can get a job that pays as well as the job a woman needs a batchelor's degree for, without any college at all, why should he go tens of thousands of dollars into debt if he's happy with that level of pay?
I agree that there is a marked difference in the numbers of boys vs. girls being accepted to university; I'm just not sure that it's as much of a problem as has been claimed. Certainly it's not some sort of feminist conspiracy to 'feminize' the curriculum at lower levels.
I agree that there is a marked difference in the numbers of boys vs. girls being accepted to university; I'm just not sure that it's as much of a problem as has been claimed. Certainly it's not some sort of feminist conspiracy to 'feminize' the curriculum at lower levels.
Actually there is at the Elementary school level, a girls fine motor skills develop earlier than a a boy's. They are now pushing things that a girl is able to do like cursive at an earlier age, but a boy just doesn't have the fine motor to do cursive yet.
If you set a little kid up to fail in kindergarden and pre-school, you've generally caused them to stop trying at the higher grade levels.
Is that your excuse? They started pushing "cursive" on you at too tender of an age?
Actually, I have my Bachelors Degree, thank you kindly.
I know. You kept getting promoted along, until you finished your BA. And, you still have severe problems with basic English syntax.
Whatever.
23 Sep 2011, 7:58 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
LKL wrote:
If a man can get a job that pays as well as the job a woman needs a batchelor's degree for, without any college at all, why should he go tens of thousands of dollars into debt if he's happy with that level of pay?
I agree that there is a marked difference in the numbers of boys vs. girls being accepted to university; I'm just not sure that it's as much of a problem as has been claimed. Certainly it's not some sort of feminist conspiracy to 'feminize' the curriculum at lower levels.
I agree that there is a marked difference in the numbers of boys vs. girls being accepted to university; I'm just not sure that it's as much of a problem as has been claimed. Certainly it's not some sort of feminist conspiracy to 'feminize' the curriculum at lower levels.
Actually there is at the Elementary school level, a girls fine motor skills develop earlier than a a boy's. They are now pushing things that a girl is able to do like cursive at an earlier age, but a boy just doesn't have the fine motor to do cursive yet.
If you set a little kid up to fail in kindergarden and pre-school, you've generally caused them to stop trying at the higher grade levels.
Is that your excuse? They started pushing "cursive" on you at too tender of an age?
Actually, I have my Bachelors Degree, thank you kindly.
I know. You kept getting promoted along, until you finished your BA. And, you still have severe problems with basic English syntax.
Whatever.
Exactly!
23 Sep 2011, 8:10 pm
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
LKL wrote:
If a man can get a job that pays as well as the job a woman needs a batchelor's degree for, without any college at all, why should he go tens of thousands of dollars into debt if he's happy with that level of pay?
I agree that there is a marked difference in the numbers of boys vs. girls being accepted to university; I'm just not sure that it's as much of a problem as has been claimed. Certainly it's not some sort of feminist conspiracy to 'feminize' the curriculum at lower levels.
I agree that there is a marked difference in the numbers of boys vs. girls being accepted to university; I'm just not sure that it's as much of a problem as has been claimed. Certainly it's not some sort of feminist conspiracy to 'feminize' the curriculum at lower levels.
Actually there is at the Elementary school level, a girls fine motor skills develop earlier than a a boy's. They are now pushing things that a girl is able to do like cursive at an earlier age, but a boy just doesn't have the fine motor to do cursive yet.
If you set a little kid up to fail in kindergarden and pre-school, you've generally caused them to stop trying at the higher grade levels.
Is that your excuse? They started pushing "cursive" on you at too tender of an age?
Actually, I have my Bachelors Degree, thank you kindly.
I know. You kept getting promoted along, until you finished your BA. And, you still have severe problems with basic English syntax.
Whatever.
Exactly!
Seriously, grow up Pandabear, you aren't funny, you're just plain annoying.
23 Sep 2011, 8:22 pm
23 Sep 2011, 8:46 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
LKL wrote:
If a man can get a job that pays as well as the job a woman needs a batchelor's degree for, without any college at all, why should he go tens of thousands of dollars into debt if he's happy with that level of pay?
I agree that there is a marked difference in the numbers of boys vs. girls being accepted to university; I'm just not sure that it's as much of a problem as has been claimed. Certainly it's not some sort of feminist conspiracy to 'feminize' the curriculum at lower levels.
I agree that there is a marked difference in the numbers of boys vs. girls being accepted to university; I'm just not sure that it's as much of a problem as has been claimed. Certainly it's not some sort of feminist conspiracy to 'feminize' the curriculum at lower levels.
Actually there is at the Elementary school level, a girls fine motor skills develop earlier than a a boy's. They are now pushing things that a girl is able to do like cursive at an earlier age, but a boy just doesn't have the fine motor to do cursive yet.
If you set a little kid up to fail in kindergarden and pre-school, you've generally caused them to stop trying at the higher grade levels.
Is that your excuse? They started pushing "cursive" on you at too tender of an age?
Actually, I have my Bachelors Degree, thank you kindly.
I know. You kept getting promoted along, until you finished your BA. And, you still have severe problems with basic English syntax.
Whatever.
Exactly!
Seriously, grow up Pandabear, you aren't funny, you're just plain annoying.
You should talk.
24 Sep 2011, 12:27 am
