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22 Oct 2011, 4:51 pm

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Maybe this would change if the Palestinians learned how to behave decently. Right now they are dedicated killers and death worshipers.

Shut it with your racist Bullsh*t. Anyone who says that all people of a group are a**holes just because it makes it easier for them to lie to themselves is a psychopath, and you, sir, pass with highest honours.

Besides, the Palestinians have shown in recent years that they do not intend to exterminate Israelis. Also, a group of people being dedicated killers isn't necessarily as bad as it sounds. Many groups of people or nations are "dedicated killers" during periods of time. There's a time for peace, and a time for war.

That is true, but that doesn't mean they are dedicated to killing the innocent, but dedicated to fighting a war, in part or whole.

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22 Oct 2011, 4:52 pm

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So according to your logic, Hamas "won" the Gaza Strip after years of attacking the Israeli settlers and launching rockets into Israel proper (so not the occupied territories) and so they pretty much achieved a goal by attacking civilians, but they won. So you think Hamas rocket attacks are justified?

No. But their strategy worked, didn't it? I do not use terms like "justify" when it comes to war. I use terms like "win" and "lose".

Concepts like "justification" are only meaningful if morality is meaningful. In the real world force is what determines outcomes, not morality.

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Morality guides force you fool.

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22 Oct 2011, 4:55 pm

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Firstly, Hamas does not equal Palestinian. Secondly, I disagree with you saying they are worthless people. This dehumanizing needs to stop...on both sides.

Fine. Let them stop first.

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Rubbish. You fool. Not all palestinians are doing it so you can stop. You made a horrendously racist statement about the palestinians and you deserve to be shown for the defiler that you are! How dare you say that Palestinians have instrinsically less worth than any other human being.

Screw Godwin's Law. This is a fascist statement.

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22 Oct 2011, 10:36 pm

Gedrene wrote:

jc6chan wrote:

Gedrene wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Maybe this would change if the Palestinians learned how to behave decently. Right now they are dedicated killers and death worshipers.

That is true, but that doesn't mean they are dedicated to killing the innocent, but dedicated to fighting a war, in part or whole.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=42297

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/internatio ... 2M1WxR7WeK

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22 Oct 2011, 11:27 pm

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Evaluate them by their behavior. As the late Abba Eben said: The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Let us know when a Palestinian invents something that benefits the entire human race.

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24 Oct 2011, 7:46 am

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Anyone else sick of the media trying to legitimize Palestinian terror? I'm not talking about Arab media specifically, but other Western media as well.

Have you been living in a cave? that has been the case for years. Why would people hate Israel? Simple. Either ignorancy, or antisemitism (which is sometimes caused by ignorancy). And what does some (not all) of the media do? incite. Why? simple. Profit. And believe me the crowed loves when they manage to kill the jews. So that just boosts the media even more!

And yes, I don't deny there were jews who plotted to kill arabs/palestinians and they even did so, until the Israeli authories put an end to their actions. For example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Underground

Again, I wouldn't expect from the average foreigner to actually know anything about what really happens around here, but FYI Israel released just about 1,000 terrorists for the sake of 1 POW. A proof, that the value of life is more important to Israel than it is to Hamas or other terrorist organizations.

May there be peace.

i think that its a little( a lot) antisemetic to equate jewish with israeli. israel is an apartheid state comitted to the genocide of the palestinian people. jews are not like that and obviously saying that israeli=jewish is saying jewish= genocidal. not all jews support israels actions or occpation of palestine. groups like jews against the occupation in australia and jews involved in the bds movement prove that. also the western states all love israel. the media won't criticise the actions of israel at all and if you do you are called antisemitic which is antisemitic in itself and distracts from the argument at hand. the only time i ever saw the media and politicians come close to critising israel was in the gaza massacre and lebanon war in 2006. the israeli authorities were plotting to kill arabs/palestinians then. and they did.

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24 Oct 2011, 9:05 am

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i think that its a little( a lot) antisemetic to equate jewish with israeli. israel is an apartheid state comitted to the genocide of the palestinian people. [/quote]

Stop! If the Israelis intended the genocide of the Palestinians it would have happened already.

As it is the Palestinians are out breeding the Jews in Israel. If it were not for the Ultra Orthodox raising families the size of football teams the ordinary run of Israeli Jews would have been swamped.

As for apartheidt, have a care. There are Arab speaking non-Jews who are members of the Knesset. And non-Jewish citizens of Israels (that includes Christians and Druse and Muslims) have full rights under Israeli law. Israel may have been founded as a "Jewish State" but it is in fact governed under secular law. The Sabbath is not enforced and non-kosher meat is available there.

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24 Oct 2011, 12:52 pm

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As for apartheidt, have a care. There are Arab speaking non-Jews who are members of the Knesset. And non-Jewish citizens of Israels (that includes Christians and Druse and Muslims) have full rights under Israeli law. Israel may have been founded as a "Jewish State" but it is in fact governed under secular law. The Sabbath is not enforced and non-kosher meat is available there.

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I think few people will argue with the fact that Arabs in Israel have their rights recognized. The word apartheid is used to describe the occupied territories, where Israel spends a lot of money on the settlements and leaves Palestinian villages to fend for themselves.

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24 Oct 2011, 12:56 pm

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Those Arabs also don't have a habit of trying to blow themselves up in marketplaces and diners.

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24 Oct 2011, 7:22 pm

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i think that its a little( a lot) antisemetic to equate jewish with israeli. israel is an apartheid state comitted to the genocide of the palestinian people.

Stop! If the Israelis intended the genocide of the Palestinians it would have happened already.
As it is the Palestinians are out breeding the Jews in Israel. If it were not for the Ultra Orthodox raising families the size of football teams the ordinary run of Israeli Jews would have been swamped.

As for apartheidt, have a care. There are Arab speaking non-Jews who are members of the Knesset. And non-Jewish citizens of Israels (that includes Christians and Druse and Muslims) have full rights under Israeli law. Israel may have been founded as a "Jewish State" but it is in fact governed under secular law. The Sabbath is not enforced and non-kosher meat is available there.

it already has. they dont all need to be dead for it to be genocide. i think the actions of the givati brigade in the Zeitoun District Massacre, Gaza in 2009 demonstrates that. besides the massacre i think the graffti on the buildings occupied by the idf in that town demonstrates their intention. "Death to Arabs" and "The Only Good Arab is a Dead Arab." and my personal favourite- "1 is down, 999,999 to go"(in reference to gazas population of 1million.

also palestinians are outbreeding the jews? do i really need to point out how incredibly racist that is? in fact many of your posts on this thread and others are blatantly racist. i dont think zionism is a good thing but i think that we should be able to debate it without it becoming old school racist. also i dont think racial villification has any place on this webpace either. as an arab i found some of your comments personally offensive- or would have if i respected your opinion and it had power to offend me. in other words call me an idiot because you disagree with me or think me a fool but not an arab idiot because you clearly have issues with my race.

the definition of apartheid has been spelled out to you just in case it wasnt clear. id just like to note that israel more than leaves palestinian villages to fend for themselves- it takes them.

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24 Oct 2011, 7:58 pm

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The Sabbath is not enforced and non-kosher meat is available there.

Case in point: Dr. Eli Landau's The White Book. He couldn't do that in Saudi.

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24 Oct 2011, 8:09 pm

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So you don't like neutrality from your news?

If everything in the world had complete neutrality it would be anarchy, since people would do what they feel like doing and no one is going to stop them because doing so would be "not neutral" and telling someone what they are doing is "negative".

If your not neutral then you will always be pulled into someone else's agenda which you see with America acting as the world's policemen, but America pulls itself in because the governing party has their own agenda. The last country that actually gave America the big f**k you was Russia. I love America, it needs to stop trying to be the tyrant of the world.

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24 Oct 2011, 8:31 pm

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I love America, it needs to stop trying to be the tyrant of the world.

The Chinese will be along to take over that role eventually and I suspect by then you'll already have more than changed your mind (unless you're a communist).

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24 Oct 2011, 9:39 pm

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I love America, it needs to stop trying to be the tyrant of the world.

The Chinese will be along to take over that role eventually and I suspect by then you'll already have more than changed your mind (unless you're a communist).

I am not all against some other nation "taking point". Being a super power is not all that great.

As long as the U.S. can defend itself against abuse I do not see the world coming to an end.

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25 Oct 2011, 9:23 am

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Those Arabs also don't have a habit of trying to blow themselves up in marketplaces and diners.

I'm glad you pointed that out. Has it ever occurred to you that those Arabs are more peaceful because they are treated more fairly?

Think about it, those Arabs are also Muslims and so the difference is how they are treated. I'm not sure how many Arabs in Israel got kicked out of their homes in 1948, but they sure are treated like humans at least.

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25 Oct 2011, 2:16 pm

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Those Arabs also don't have a habit of trying to blow themselves up in marketplaces and diners.

The ones that stayed in Israel were considered Israeli citizens, the ones that fled are not. If the Palestinians weren't behaving like they are, the Israelis probably would have absorbed them into Israel and made them Israeli citizens too.

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