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22 Oct 2011, 10:29 pm

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It'd be funny if all of the self-styled "Randian super-humans" who make all "the wealth" decided to go along with this stupid plan and found that sit-down strikes reappeared across the nation. It's about time that the country club conservatives who've been waging class warfare for the past thirty years realize that the post-war relative social equality was in everybody's best interest.


Which explains why the Soviet Union collapsed...

Socialism only works on paper, it has never worked on a large scale in real life.


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Galt's Gulch being in the mountains of Colorado just did not have the resources to support its effete and grasping population. The river quickly became over fished and the growing season too short to grow the grain needed. Dagny and Francisco found that they could not eat gold and intercourse. Luckily the abortion was unregulated so the population of the valley did not grow very quickly.
then the first winter came . . .
-From Atlas Rethinks his Untenable Position


That's disgusting that you think that is a success story... Population Control, casually implying that abortion is a good thing, that's just plain sick.



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22 Oct 2011, 10:33 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
It'd be funny if all of the self-styled "Randian super-humans" who make all "the wealth" decided to go along with this stupid plan and found that sit-down strikes reappeared across the nation. It's about time that the country club conservatives who've been waging class warfare for the past thirty years realize that the post-war relative social equality was in everybody's best interest.


Which explains why the Soviet Union collapsed...

Socialism only works on paper, it has never worked on a large scale in real life.


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Galt's Gulch being in the mountains of Colorado just did not have the resources to support its effete and grasping population. The river quickly became over fished and the growing season too short to grow the grain needed. Dagny and Francisco found that they could not eat gold and intercourse. Luckily the abortion was unregulated so the population of the valley did not grow very quickly.
then the first winter came . . .
-From Atlas Rethinks his Untenable Position


That's disgusting that you think that is a success story... Population Control, casually implying that abortion is a good thing, that's just plain sick.


Hey I am just the middle man. It is the libertarian Utopia not mine.
In my Utopia abortion is rare because of good sex education and economic justice.


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22 Oct 2011, 11:24 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
It'd be funny if all of the self-styled "Randian super-humans" who make all "the wealth" decided to go along with this stupid plan and found that sit-down strikes reappeared across the nation. It's about time that the country club conservatives who've been waging class warfare for the past thirty years realize that the post-war relative social equality was in everybody's best interest.


Which explains why the Soviet Union collapsed...

Socialism only works on paper, it has never worked on a large scale in real life.


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Galt's Gulch being in the mountains of Colorado just did not have the resources to support its effete and grasping population. The river quickly became over fished and the growing season too short to grow the grain needed. Dagny and Francisco found that they could not eat gold and intercourse. Luckily the abortion was unregulated so the population of the valley did not grow very quickly.
then the first winter came . . .
-From Atlas Rethinks his Untenable Position


That's disgusting that you think that is a success story... Population Control, casually implying that abortion is a good thing, that's just plain sick.


Hey I am just the middle man. It is the libertarian Utopia not mine.
In my Utopia abortion is rare because of good sex education and economic justice.


Social Justice as you call it, just encourages people to be mediocre. Furthermore I'm not a libertarian, I am a Conservative Republican.



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22 Oct 2011, 11:27 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
It'd be funny if all of the self-styled "Randian super-humans" who make all "the wealth" decided to go along with this stupid plan and found that sit-down strikes reappeared across the nation. It's about time that the country club conservatives who've been waging class warfare for the past thirty years realize that the post-war relative social equality was in everybody's best interest.


Which explains why the Soviet Union collapsed...

Socialism only works on paper, it has never worked on a large scale in real life.


Quote:
Galt's Gulch being in the mountains of Colorado just did not have the resources to support its effete and grasping population. The river quickly became over fished and the growing season too short to grow the grain needed. Dagny and Francisco found that they could not eat gold and intercourse. Luckily the abortion was unregulated so the population of the valley did not grow very quickly.
then the first winter came . . .
-From Atlas Rethinks his Untenable Position


That's disgusting that you think that is a success story... Population Control, casually implying that abortion is a good thing, that's just plain sick.


Hey I am just the middle man. It is the libertarian Utopia not mine.
In my Utopia abortion is rare because of good sex education and economic justice.


Social Justice as you call it, just encourages people to be mediocre. Furthermore I'm not a libertarian, I am a Conservative Republican.


So you are sickened by Objectivism? :?
Did I call you a libertarian?
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23 Oct 2011, 6:41 pm

Socialism is mentioned in the Bible.



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23 Oct 2011, 6:43 pm

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Socialism is mentioned in the Bible.


Not by name and not as such. There are commandments which imply socialism, such as the Jubilee. But the Bible is very heavy for property rights, both individual and collective (i.e. within the tribe).

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23 Oct 2011, 6:45 pm

Right but the Bible allows for people to voluntarily renounce their property rights and hold all property in common.



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23 Oct 2011, 6:48 pm

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Right but the Bible allows for people to voluntarily renounce their property rights and hold all property in common.


Within the tribe, yes. However the produce of the land which requires labor belongs to the one who sowed the land with the proviso that the corners of the field be left to the poor or landless.

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23 Oct 2011, 7:36 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Right but the Bible allows for people to voluntarily renounce their property rights and hold all property in common.


Within the tribe, yes. However the produce of the land which requires labor belongs to the one who sowed the land with the proviso that the corners of the field be left to the poor or landless.

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Is that still practised anywhere? Maybe on the Israeli kibbutzim?



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24 Oct 2011, 2:20 pm

Christianity also promotes slavery and the subjugation of women.

Ephesians 5:22-24 -- Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

Exodus 21:20-21 -- If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.

1 Peter 2:13 -- Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every authority instituted among men.

2:18 Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

Leviticus 25:44-45 -- Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.


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25 Oct 2011, 8:15 am

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Christianity also promotes slavery and the subjugation of women.


It is noteworthy that "slavery" in Biblical times forms the foundation of what later became master/servant law in western society (or as now known, employer/employee law). The Bible imposed protections and limits on "slavery" that most other cultures did not believe in. Being a slave in Jewish culture was better than being a slave (or servant) in any other culture.



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25 Oct 2011, 8:34 am

zer0netgain wrote:
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Christianity also promotes slavery and the subjugation of women.


It is noteworthy that "slavery" in Biblical times forms the foundation of what later became master/servant law in western society (or as now known, employer/employee law). The Bible imposed protections and limits on "slavery" that most other cultures did not believe in. Being a slave in Jewish culture was better than being a slave (or servant) in any other culture.



Especially the Free Pass at the end of seven years. Every seven years the Shmitah or release. The slave was sent forth from his former master complete with provisions. Hebrew slavery was more like indenture than chattel slavery as practiced in the U.S and Brazil for far too long.

Go down Moses, to the Egypt Land and tell Old Pharoh --- Let My People Go!

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25 Oct 2011, 11:20 am

ruveyn wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
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Christianity also promotes slavery and the subjugation of women.


It is noteworthy that "slavery" in Biblical times forms the foundation of what later became master/servant law in western society (or as now known, employer/employee law). The Bible imposed protections and limits on "slavery" that most other cultures did not believe in. Being a slave in Jewish culture was better than being a slave (or servant) in any other culture.



Especially the Free Pass at the end of seven years. Every seven years the Shmitah or release. The slave was sent forth from his former master complete with provisions. Hebrew slavery was more like indenture than chattel slavery as practiced in the U.S and Brazil for far too long.

Go down Moses, to the Egypt Land and tell Old Pharoh --- Let My People Go!

ruveyn


Did we just agree again? 8O :lol:



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25 Oct 2011, 1:07 pm

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I propose that if Obama got his desire to make it illegal to "discriminate" against unemployed people, you'd see hiring grind to a halt. Even if you hire an unemployed person, another unemployed person could accuse you of discrimination and the EEOC inquiry will result in legal costs even if the EEOC quickly determines there is no merit to the accusation.

The only way hiring will be done after such a situation would be for employers to turn to recruitment rather than applications. It might seem like splitting hairs, but if you "recruit" a person, you seek them out and ask them to come to work for you. Government can not mandate who you seek to recruit. If you accept applications, government can mandate who you must consider as an applicant.

Hiring will go much slower and job creation will be limited to how badly an employer needs a position filled.


Your proposition is failing, kid.



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25 Oct 2011, 1:10 pm

AspieRogue wrote:
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I propose that if Obama got his desire to make it illegal to "discriminate" against unemployed people, you'd see hiring grind to a halt. Even if you hire an unemployed person, another unemployed person could accuse you of discrimination and the EEOC inquiry will result in legal costs even if the EEOC quickly determines there is no merit to the accusation.

The only way hiring will be done after such a situation would be for employers to turn to recruitment rather than applications. It might seem like splitting hairs, but if you "recruit" a person, you seek them out and ask them to come to work for you. Government can not mandate who you seek to recruit. If you accept applications, government can mandate who you must consider as an applicant.

Hiring will go much slower and job creation will be limited to how badly an employer needs a position filled.


Your proposition is failing, kid.


Actually, what zer0netgain is saying is correct.



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25 Oct 2011, 1:13 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
AspieRogue wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
I propose that if Obama got his desire to make it illegal to "discriminate" against unemployed people, you'd see hiring grind to a halt. Even if you hire an unemployed person, another unemployed person could accuse you of discrimination and the EEOC inquiry will result in legal costs even if the EEOC quickly determines there is no merit to the accusation.

The only way hiring will be done after such a situation would be for employers to turn to recruitment rather than applications. It might seem like splitting hairs, but if you "recruit" a person, you seek them out and ask them to come to work for you. Government can not mandate who you seek to recruit. If you accept applications, government can mandate who you must consider as an applicant.

Hiring will go much slower and job creation will be limited to how badly an employer needs a position filled.


Your proposition is failing, kid.



Oh is it? Since when is it illegal nationwide to discriminate based on employment status when it comes to hiring???
Actually, what zer0netgain is saying is correct.