Can one tell another he doesn't know God?

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14 Nov 2011, 10:55 pm

In another thread (possibly more than one) I have seen Ragtime make assertions about evolution that are not true. Since he is so wrong about a subject that has abundant physical evidence of so many different types all pointing to the same reality, a reality he denies, then how can I possibly trust his opinion on spiritual matters that are not so easily checked? I would not trust my eternal soul to advice given by someone who insists the earth is flat. Apparently Ragtime is basing his opinion on creationist sources that are mistaken about evolution and deny, distort or ignore what evidence exists. Otherwise I cannot imagine why anyone would make such false assertions about evolution.

Most Christians worldwide belong to denominations that have come to terms with the fact evolution happens, just as in the past they had to also accept the fact that the earth travels around the sun. It is a shame that there are so many Christians especially in America who are being LIED to about this subject. How ridiculous is a church that insists the earth is flat? It is just as ridiculous and just as wrong as a church that denies the fact of evolution.

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14 Nov 2011, 11:08 pm

TheBicyclingGuitarist wrote:

Most Christians worldwide belong to denominations that have come to terms with the fact evolution happens, just as in the past they had to also accept the fact that the earth travels around the sun. It is a shame that there are so many Christians especially in America who are being LIED to about this subject. How ridiculous is a church that insists the earth is flat? It is just as ridiculous and just as wrong as a church that denies the fact of evolution.

Lightning rods were very controversial for almost a hundred years after they were invented.

Many hundreds of people died because they took shelter in chapels with tall steeples during bad electrical storms.

It was widely argued that a lightning rod is an attempt to subvert the will of God.

Christianity appears to have gotten over that.

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15 Nov 2011, 12:52 am

LKL wrote:

Is anyone else here strongly reminded of the movie, "A Beautiful Mind," by the OP?

YES!! !! The claim put forward is totally reminiscent of schizophrenia! I mean, how often other than that do you have unseen friends/acquaintances/whatever.

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15 Nov 2011, 12:58 am

TheBicyclingGuitarist wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Also, I sense on a regular basis members asking me to do a lot of explaining just to spin my wheels and waste my time

Ragtime is unwilling to back up assertions with explanations so...

blauSamstag wrote:

The city of Brescia, Italy, was devastated in 1769 by a lightning strike that ignited ~200,000 pounds of gunpowder that was for some reason stored within the city's large church. Thousands of people died and a large portion of the city was destroyed. After this I think they realized how silly referring to lightning rods as heretical is

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15 Nov 2011, 1:20 pm

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blauSamstag wrote:

...I just don't buy the concept that there is an all-knowing all-powerful being that for some reason needs me to worship it.

He doesn't want your worship, He want's your friendship.

The quickest way to become my friend is to do something nice for me, and not just have someone else say that it's been done.

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15 Nov 2011, 1:26 pm

Ragtime wrote:

All your trolling has worked. I am now an atheist!

(Oh, wait... I need to hear actual reasoning first. Darn.)

He was saying about how you called Catholics heretics

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt178547.html
The proof is here.

He wasn't going on about the original argument at all. Complete failure via false association.

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15 Nov 2011, 2:02 pm

I know him, just online.

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15 Nov 2011, 3:08 pm

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Ragtime, you might actually have better luck if you were to try talking candidly and openly about your experience with religion.

No, I get the same treatment no matter how I say it. It's what I believe which so provokes.

Nah, trust me: what provokes people is the fact that you are generally obnoxious. You could remedy this fact if you really wanted to.

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The Bible predicted this. The Gospel is described in the Greek as "Skandalon", or "rock of offense" (rock that one trips over).
It is said straightforwardly in the New Testament that the Gospel is, itself, offensive to mankind, because mankind is sinful.
Notice that not even Jesus could preach the truth in a way that didn't offend (see Pharisees' reactions in Matt, Mark, Luke, John) -- so what chance have I?

His conversations with the Pharisees and the Sadducees were actually somewhat interesting, mostly because these conversations help reveal the lines along which ancient Judea's politics were divided.

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You've sinned, and you need God to save you.

What did I say in those few words? The Gospel. Its central idea is impossible to convey without offense resulting.

I don't think that it's so much offensive as simply inaccurate. Try to understand that you are talking to someone who has actually read the Gospels and studied their background.

Jesus actually preached a system of belief, and it was really a fairly common outlook for people who lived in his place of birth. It's very interesting, actually. I think you would enjoy reading about it.

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15 Nov 2011, 4:45 pm

Vigilans wrote:

They learned the wrong lesson. The right lesson is: don't store gunpowder in a church.

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15 Nov 2011, 5:38 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Vigilans wrote:

They learned the wrong lesson. The right lesson is: don't store gunpowder in a church.

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yeah really. Well it wasn't the first time that church steeple lightning strikes caused casualties, but it was the nail in the coffin of that idea, considering a city was devastated because the church insisted on both A)Not having a lightning rod and B)Storing 200,000 pounds of gunpowder for some insane reason

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