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Inuyasha
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15 Nov 2011, 4:59 pm

Jesus asked the man to make a choice, he didn't force the rich man to give away his things.

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15 Nov 2011, 5:01 pm

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Jesus asked the man to make a choice, he didn't force the rich man to give away his things.

No, but he made it clear that if he didn't, then he wasn't going to get to go to Heaven.

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15 Nov 2011, 5:03 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:

Jesus asked the man to make a choice, he didn't force the rich man to give away his things.

No, but he made it clear that if he didn't, then he wasn't going to get to go to Heaven.

So? That does not make stealing, okay, which is what you are proposing.

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15 Nov 2011, 5:04 pm

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Jesus asked the man to make a choice, he didn't force the rich man to give away his things.

But Josh was ok with taxes render unto Ceasar and all that.
But I guess one should only pay taxes to fund wars and it is sinful to use those sacred funds to help the poor?

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15 Nov 2011, 5:10 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:

Jesus asked the man to make a choice, he didn't force the rich man to give away his things.

But Josh was ok with taxes render unto Ceasar and all that.
But I guess one should only pay taxes to fund wars and it is sinful to use those sacred funds to help the poor?

However, back when you are referring to, people paid taxes, and it didn't matter if they were poor or not. People in modern times seem to think it is okay to hike the taxes of someone else "the rich," this is flat out wrong, and I would argue people in the middle class would absolutely oppose tax hikes if it was hitting them too.

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15 Nov 2011, 5:25 pm

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However, back when you are referring to, people paid taxes, and it didn't matter if they were poor or not.

Being rich in the Roman Empire did have its advantages. Take a look at what Jesus had to say

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Jesus sat across from the collection box for the temple treasury and observed how the crowd gave their money. Many rich people were throwing in lots of money. One poor widow came forward and put in two small copper coins worth a penny. Jesus called his disciples to him and said, “I assure you that this poor widow has put in more than everyone who’s been putting money in the treasury. All of them are giving out of their spare change. But she from her hopeless poverty has given everything she had, even what she needed to live on.”

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People in modern times seem to think it is okay to hike the taxes of someone else "the rich," this is flat out wrong, and I would argue people in the middle class would absolutely oppose tax hikes if it was hitting them too.

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And he said unto them in his doctrine: "Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,and the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts: Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation."

Sorry, but Republicans are going to be in for some very great damnation.

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15 Nov 2011, 5:53 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTRvmMMf8_I[/youtube]

You were saying pandabear. They are referring to freely giving, not being taxed.

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15 Nov 2011, 5:55 pm

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTRvmMMf8_I[/youtube]

You were saying pandabear.

Tithing to a right-wing church is not exactly charity.

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15 Nov 2011, 5:58 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTRvmMMf8_I[/youtube]

You were saying pandabear.

Tithing to a right-wing church is not exactly charity.

I wasn't aware that a bloodbank, for example, is a church.

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15 Nov 2011, 6:38 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTRvmMMf8_I[/youtube]

You were saying pandabear.

Tithing to a right-wing church is not exactly charity.

I wasn't aware that a bloodbank, for example, is a church.

Did I say it was?
My meaning is that right wing "Charitable giving" is artificially bloated by tithing.
But your comment about blood banks was dead on. :thumright:

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15 Nov 2011, 6:39 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTRvmMMf8_I[/youtube]

You were saying pandabear. They are referring to freely giving, not being taxed.

The basic message of that video is that Americans are rather tight. The rich only give about 3% of their income to charity. Some super rich folks have become philanthropists.

There are quite a lot of organizations that the IRS considers "charitable" and that probably aren't, such as the American Center for Law and Justice.

Plus, a lot of evangelist are raking in a lot of dough for preaching a lot of nonsense.

Still, if a Christian is taxed, he must cheerfully pay his taxes, and must cheerfully give money to people in need.

A perfect Christian would sell all that he had, and give the money to the poor.

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15 Nov 2011, 7:26 pm

@ pandabear

Sorry but the way government is spending money, I have every right to protest being taxed. Until they can be responsible about spending (which is a reason why I'm supporting someone that can balance the Federal Budget) they have no business raising taxes on anyone.

The way the tax system is set up right now is dangerous because about 50% of Americans don't pay Federal Income Taxes. The Government is using tax money to essentially buy votes, the Democrats are more guilty of this in recent years than Republicans (despite what the 60 minutes story claimed).

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15 Nov 2011, 8:27 pm

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But every one pays taxes payroll, sales, property etc.
benefits were on the decline under democrats and republicans.
Clinton gutted welfare this mantra does not match with reality.

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15 Nov 2011, 8:45 pm

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@ pandabear

Sorry but the way government is spending money, I have every right to protest being taxed.

Only if you aren't a true Christian.

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The way the tax system is set up right now is dangerous because about 50% of Americans don't pay Federal Income Taxes.

Why is that "dangerous?"

Suppose we were to eliminate Social Security. Would private charity make up the difference? Obviously not, because too many people are fake Christians, and too few people are genuine Christians.

Hence the need for taxes, to supplement the efforts of the few true Christians.

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15 Nov 2011, 8:50 pm

pandabear wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

@ pandabear

Sorry but the way government is spending money, I have every right to protest being taxed.

Only if you aren't a true Christian.

What about in nations where it is possible for citizens to have a say in the policies of government? Rome as an Empire was not governed by elected representatives, but nations like America have, at least, that. Even though we don't directly make the decisions affecting us in terms of laws, we are still able to select people who claim to uphold policies which we approve of. What you are in effect saying though is that we shouldn't approve of any policies except for only those which are currently enacted, regardless of whether they are right or wrong, if we are "True Christians". Of course, the people who aren't "True Christians" can approve or disapprove of anything they like. Sorry, I can't subscribe to that.

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15 Nov 2011, 9:29 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

pandabear wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

@ pandabear

Sorry but the way government is spending money, I have every right to protest being taxed.

Only if you aren't a true Christian.

Christians of the first and second centuries really knew what it was to be Christians. They gladly accepted martyrdom as a consequence of their faith. They endured horrible public torture and execution, without asking mercy, as a testament to their faith.

And, first century Christians really would help the poor and less fortunate.

Modern Christians don't have to suffer at all, don't have to help anybody, and complain about their taxes, and complain about social security, welfare and medicare. Whine, whine, whine.

Modern Christians are really no better than Heathens, Pagans and Atheists.

True Christians should, of course, look after their own morality, eschew sin, and help the poor to the greatest extent possible. The Republican Party is only leading Christians into sin, in order to benefit the rich.

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