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21 Dec 2011, 11:00 am

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Energy is NOT a dimension. It is merely the ability that one physical system has to affect another physical system.

Why don't you all get a real education and stop making things up?


Spacetime

What is spacetime? 3 physical dimensions and X,Y,Z, and a fourth known as time. What is time? It's simply energy. Without energy there is no time, only spacial coordinates.

If I had a real education I'd be as lost as you.



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21 Dec 2011, 3:57 pm

Time is not energy, either.

Please ... get a real education in real science.

The only lost people around here lack education, employment, relationships, or any combination thereof.



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21 Dec 2011, 6:39 pm

Fnord wrote:
Time is not energy, either.

Please ... get a real education in real science.

The only lost people around here lack education, employment, relationships, or any combination thereof.


Time, how is time measured...

What does a clock measure? A standard 24 hour clock measures physical variables based on one particular variable. The momentum of the earth spinning, also known as kinetic energy. What does a calender measure? It measures the kinetic motion of the earth orbiting the sun. What does a cesium atomic clock measure? It measures radioactive decay... ENERGY.

Without flux time isn't. Time can only propagate (decay?) no faster than the speed of light.

Now explain to me what YOUR definition of time is since you are all so knowing wise one. You can't because you lack the ability to think critically.



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21 Dec 2011, 6:47 pm

cw10 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Time is not energy, either.

Please ... get a real education in real science.

The only lost people around here lack education, employment, relationships, or any combination thereof.


Time, how is time measured...

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With a clock. Time and Energy are complementary measurables. They are antagonistic in the Heisenberg Uncertainty Relation. To get an exact measure of Energy (little variance) you need a lot of time. A short time measurement gives a lot of variance in energy.

ruveyhn



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21 Dec 2011, 7:03 pm

Thank you Ruv. You said it better than I could.



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21 Dec 2011, 10:31 pm

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Thank you Ruv. You said it better than I could.

Why are you thanking him? He just proved me right!

(Thanks, Ruve!)



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21 Dec 2011, 11:15 pm

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cw10 wrote:
Thank you Ruv. You said it better than I could.

Why are you thanking him? He just proved me right!

(Thanks, Ruve!)


Because I am right. It can't be anything else.



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21 Dec 2011, 11:15 pm

cw10 wrote:
Time, how is time measured...

What does a clock measure? A standard 24 hour clock measures physical variables based on one particular variable. The momentum of the earth spinning, also known as kinetic energy. What does a calender measure? It measures the kinetic motion of the earth orbiting the sun. What does a cesium atomic clock measure? It measures radioactive decay... ENERGY.

Without flux time isn't. Time can only propagate (decay?) no faster than the speed of light.

Now explain to me what YOUR definition of time is since you are all so knowing wise one. You can't because you lack the ability to think critically.

Time is measured by change.

Atomic clocks don't measure radioactive decay; they'd make terrible clocks if they did so, because radioactive decay is random.



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21 Dec 2011, 11:22 pm

ruveyn wrote:
cw10 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Time is not energy, either.

Please ... get a real education in real science.

The only lost people around here lack education, employment, relationships, or any combination thereof.


Time, how is time measured...

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With a clock. Time and Energy are complementary measurables. They are antagonistic in the Heisenberg Uncertainty Relation. To get an exact measure of Energy (little variance) you need a lot of time. A short time measurement gives a lot of variance in energy.

ruveyhn


A clock you say.

A mechanical clock measures kinetic movement of gears.
A Digital clock measures the kinetic vibrations of quartz.
An atomic clock measures decay.

ENERGY. Is there someone with a brain in here?



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21 Dec 2011, 11:25 pm

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cw10 wrote:
Time, how is time measured...

What does a clock measure? A standard 24 hour clock measures physical variables based on one particular variable. The momentum of the earth spinning, also known as kinetic energy. What does a calender measure? It measures the kinetic motion of the earth orbiting the sun. What does a cesium atomic clock measure? It measures radioactive decay... ENERGY.

Without flux time isn't. Time can only propagate (decay?) no faster than the speed of light.

Now explain to me what YOUR definition of time is since you are all so knowing wise one. You can't because you lack the ability to think critically.

Time is measured by change.

Atomic clocks don't measure radioactive decay; they'd make terrible clocks if they did so, because radioactive decay is random.


And what is change by any other definition? Energy. You cannot effect change without some form of energy.

Well okay atomic clocks still base part of the calculation off of decay however. Which is still, what class? Energy.



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21 Dec 2011, 11:28 pm

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An atomic clock measures decay.

WRONG!

An atomic clock is a clock that uses an electronic transition frequency in the microwave, optical, or ultraviolet region of the electromagnetic spectrum of atoms as a frequency standard for its timekeeping element. There is no decay involved.

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Is there someone with a brain in here?

We all have brains. Most of us choose to fill ours with facts rather than fantasy.



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21 Dec 2011, 11:30 pm

Fnord wrote:
cw10 wrote:
An atomic clock measures decay.

WRONG!

An atomic clock is a clock that uses an electronic transition frequency in the microwave, optical, or ultraviolet region of the electromagnetic spectrum of atoms as a frequency standard for its timekeeping element.

cw10 wrote:
Is there someone with a brain in here?

We all have brains. Most of us choose to fill ours with facts rather than fantasy.


Wait, what's frequency? How does it travel? Oh right ENERGY!



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21 Dec 2011, 11:43 pm

cw10 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
cw10 wrote:
An atomic clock measures decay.
WRONG!

An atomic clock is a clock that uses an electronic transition frequency in the microwave, optical, or ultraviolet region of the electromagnetic spectrum of atoms as a frequency standard for its timekeeping element.
cw10 wrote:
Is there someone with a brain in here?

We all have brains. Most of us choose to fill ours with facts rather than fantasy.
Wait, what's frequency? How does it travel? Oh right ENERGY!

Look, kid, we've been through this before. You don't know what you are talking about when it comes to science, and you pretend to be the only expert on anything scientific - both of these facts are obvious to the rest of us.

And atomic clock does not measure decay. In fact, atomic clocks are not even radioactive. They rely on an oscillating mass, nothing more. Of course, this oscillating mass is a single atom. You can read more at the following links:

1. Introduction to How Atomic Clocks Work.

2. Are Atomic Clocks Radioactive?

3. What Are The Types of Atomic Clocks?

4. How Does a Practical Cesium Atomic Clock Work?

5. When Was The Atomic Clock Invented?

6. How Is Atomic Time Measured?

Maybe after reading these factual articles, you will stop making so many absurd claims.



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21 Dec 2011, 11:45 pm

So what you're telling me Fnord is frequency is not related to energy whatsoever.

Okay. Whatever man.



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21 Dec 2011, 11:47 pm

So, you're measuring a physical variable of an oscillating mass. What's causing it to oscillate? I know, hot dogs right?



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21 Dec 2011, 11:49 pm

It's a glorified Seiko.

It's still measuring a wave, which doesn't exist without energy.

Maybe you need to learn something about the basics.