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27 Dec 2011, 3:19 pm

donnie_darko wrote:
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No, wars are not over until the politicians say they are - wars are started and ended by politicians; they are only fought by military personnel.


Without the troops there is no war. They ARE the war.


Troops are a tool which can be replaced by technology, much like many things these days.



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27 Dec 2011, 3:21 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
Troops are a tool which can be replaced by technology, much like many things these days.


You'd still need military personnel (ie troops) to program the drones.



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27 Dec 2011, 3:22 pm

donnie_darko wrote:
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Troops are a tool which can be replaced by technology, much like many things these days.


You'd still need military personnel (ie troops) to program the drones.


Unmanned drones do exist. I addressed this a few pages back.



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27 Dec 2011, 3:22 pm

donnie_darko wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
Troops are a tool which can be replaced by technology, much like many things these days.


You'd still need military personnel (ie troops) to program the drones.


as scary as it might sound, you might not 20 years from now

completely automated drones are being created



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27 Dec 2011, 3:24 pm

donnie_darko wrote:
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No, wars are not over until the politicians say they are - wars are started and ended by politicians; they are only fought by military personnel.
Without the troops there is no war. They ARE the war.

Never confuse the tools with the task. A pen is not journalism, nor is a hammer construction work. Thus a soldier is not war.

If no wars were declared by politicians, there would never be a need for soldiers.



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27 Dec 2011, 3:25 pm

In fact, a few years ago they had a remote controlled helicopter which could also use AI to fly itself. I'm sure that has some potential military uses too.



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27 Dec 2011, 3:45 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
In fact, a few years ago they had a remote controlled helicopter which could also use AI to fly itself. I'm sure that has some potential military uses too.


You'd still need people to build and fix the drones.



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27 Dec 2011, 3:46 pm

donnie_darko wrote:
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In fact, a few years ago they had a remote controlled helicopter which could also use AI to fly itself. I'm sure that has some potential military uses too.


You'd still need people to build and fix the drones.


Technicians aren't troops.



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27 Dec 2011, 3:47 pm

Technicians can't fight, and aren't even trained to do so! :P



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27 Dec 2011, 3:50 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
Technicians aren't troops.


Technically no, but if they're building drones, in a way they are fighting.



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27 Dec 2011, 3:57 pm

donnie_darko wrote:
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Technicians aren't troops.


Technically no, but if they're building drones, in a way they are fighting.


In that case, people who manufacture cars cause car crashes.



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27 Dec 2011, 3:59 pm

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In that case, people who manufacture cars cause car crashes.


False equivalence. Drones are specifically made to kill people. Cars are not designed for the purpose of crashing.



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27 Dec 2011, 3:59 pm

And along those lines, so are the people who make food.



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27 Dec 2011, 4:15 pm

donnie_darko wrote:
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I am thinking of all those men who fought a died on the beaches of Normandy. Without their efforts I would have ended up as a cake of soap on some Nazi's bathroom sink. Those brave men did more for me than I ever did for them.

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No offense but they didn't fight for you - sadly America turned away the Jewish refugees escaping Germany. I have only slightly more respect for the Allies than I do for the Axis troops.


I hope those guys fought for themselves and their families. But I appreciated a good turn regardless of the motive. What those guys did benefited me, even if they had other reasons for fighting. I never hurts to say think you for a good turn.

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