Country club conservatives Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney
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I would be comfortable saying most liberals don't know their way around firearms. Sure, there are exception, but they are just that, exceptions to a general trend. If anything, gun ownership is often the gateway to rejecting liberalism as once you've got one of the things in your hand and realize just how much of what liberals say about guns is BS, it really forces you to start looking for other things they haven't been straight about. This is especially common among gun culture 2.0 members who didn't grow up hunting and shooting, but rather came to it later on their own. These people are the most likely to turn libertarian rather than conservative, at least in my experience.
The three biggest gun nuts I know (and myself) are all extremely Liberal and would like to see concealed carry allowed in Canada.
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
A far-left tried to recall former San Fransisco mayor Dianne Feinstein for a handgun ban proposal (yes, despite the name, the group was far-left).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayoralty_ ... l_election
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayoralty_ ... l_election
I actually did know about that, and it sort of supports my adage that right and left wings tend to meet each other both in the center and at the extremes. As far as gun ownership goes, I think that being far enough outside the mainstream makes everyone want a means of protecting themselves independently of the state, or if they're really out there, a tool for fighting the state. You'll find more prosaic rationales for gun ownership closer to the center, with the exception of some willful ignorance in the urban populations.
People like me are closer to car tuners and/or collectors than anything, most of us only get involved in the political end because we feel we have to. It's people like Feinstein that push us away from the Democratic party, get rid of them and quite a few of us would cross the aisle. I've always picked my candidates on the overall merits myself, but I'd be lying if I said it was easy voting for any Democrat knowing that gun control is a party plank virtually exclusive to them in the US.
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Should have been more specific and said "US liberals". I'm sure gun owning and toting liberals are out there, but suffice it to say that they are far, far less visible than their conservative brethren.
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I am generalizing, but based on some pretty solid statistics and personal experience. Upon disclosing that I'm a gun owner, enthusiast, carrier, smith, etc I have not once been immediately tagged as a liberal, whereas people nearly universally jump to the conclusion that I'm a conservative based on the same info. I'm not saying that there are no liberal gun owners, only that they're vastly outnumbered by the conservative variety.
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I would be comfortable saying most liberals don't know their way around firearms. Sure, there are exception, but they are just that, exceptions to a general trend. If anything, gun ownership is often the gateway to rejecting liberalism as once you've got one of the things in your hand and realize just how much of what liberals say about guns is BS, it really forces you to start looking for other things they haven't been straight about. This is especially common among gun culture 2.0 members who didn't grow up hunting and shooting, but rather came to it later on their own. These people are the most likely to turn libertarian rather than conservative, at least in my experience.
I'd guess that most suburbanite conservatives who didn't grow up hunting and don't have any military experience don't know their way around firearms either. The majority of people don't.
In any case I don't see opposition to gun rights as a foundational tenet of progressive thought. Just look at the founding father of progressivism...
http://www.rarewinchesters.com/articles/art_1895.shtml
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I am generalizing, but based on some pretty solid statistics and personal experience. Upon disclosing that I'm a gun owner, enthusiast, carrier, smith, etc I have not once been immediately tagged as a liberal, whereas people nearly universally jump to the conclusion that I'm a conservative based on the same info. I'm not saying that there are no liberal gun owners, only that they're vastly outnumbered by the conservative variety.
Or perhaps liberals who are also gun enthusiasts are almost universally misconstrued as conservatives because of stereotyping.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I am generalizing, but based on some pretty solid statistics and personal experience. Upon disclosing that I'm a gun owner, enthusiast, carrier, smith, etc I have not once been immediately tagged as a liberal, whereas people nearly universally jump to the conclusion that I'm a conservative based on the same info. I'm not saying that there are no liberal gun owners, only that they're vastly outnumbered by the conservative variety.
Or perhaps liberals who are also gun enthusiasts are almost universally misconstrued as conservatives because of stereotyping.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
A liberal is a conservative who has not yet been mugged or robbed.
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Stereotyping spread by whom?
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Stereotyping spread by whom?
Probably a little on both sides.
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Stereotyping spread by whom?
He's probably referring to me
Anyhoo, since some of you follow politicians every move so closely you might of notice that liberals are traditionally anti-gun and conservatives pro-gun. Of course (and I shouldn’t have to point this out) there are exceptions to every rule including this one.
I have noticed more liberals buying guns and taking somewhat of an interest in them since the Obaminator took office in January ’09 when we had the gun ban paranoia thing for a while. Some of them actually feel passionate about their 2nd Amendment rights since then and that will cost Obama some votes this November.
I’ll add that Barack Obama created and unintentional windfall for the firearm and ammunition industry in the early half of this term. Guns, ammo, and even reloading supplies were selling faster than they could be restocked. Any gun shop worth doing business with had a full parking lot ALL day for the first few months.
Still, though, most all of the devout gun people are conservative and most liberals are still anti and I can’t see that changing significantly because of the principles and philosophies of both sides.
Okay, someone elses turn to be offended by me.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I am generalizing, but based on some pretty solid statistics and personal experience. Upon disclosing that I'm a gun owner, enthusiast, carrier, smith, etc I have not once been immediately tagged as a liberal, whereas people nearly universally jump to the conclusion that I'm a conservative based on the same info. I'm not saying that there are no liberal gun owners, only that they're vastly outnumbered by the conservative variety.
Or perhaps liberals who are also gun enthusiasts are almost universally misconstrued as conservatives because of stereotyping.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
A liberal is a conservative who has not yet been mugged or robbed.
ruveyn
I've had people try both. Still Liberal.
Stereotypes and generalisations rarely pan out in the real world.
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Kraichgauer
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Stereotyping spread by whom?
He's probably referring to me
Anyhoo, since some of you follow politicians every move so closely you might of notice that liberals are traditionally anti-gun and conservatives pro-gun. Of course (and I shouldn’t have to point this out) there are exceptions to every rule including this one.
I have noticed more liberals buying guns and taking somewhat of an interest in them since the Obaminator took office in January ’09 when we had the gun ban paranoia thing for a while. Some of them actually feel passionate about their 2nd Amendment rights since then and that will cost Obama some votes this November.
I’ll add that Barack Obama created and unintentional windfall for the firearm and ammunition industry in the early half of this term. Guns, ammo, and even reloading supplies were selling faster than they could be restocked. Any gun shop worth doing business with had a full parking lot ALL day for the first few months.
Still, though, most all of the devout gun people are conservative and most liberals are still anti and I can’t see that changing significantly because of the principles and philosophies of both sides.
Okay, someone elses turn to be offended by me.
Nothing offensive about having an observation. But just because conservatives purchased fire arms out of blind paranoia that "the Muslim terrorist attending a black nationalist church" was going to seize their guns doesn't mean that every gun owner fell for that lunacy.
And how do you know many - if any - Democratic gun owners scrambled to buy guns when Obama had been elected president?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Stereotyping spread by whom?
He's probably referring to me
Anyhoo, since some of you follow politicians every move so closely you might of notice that liberals are traditionally anti-gun and conservatives pro-gun. Of course (and I shouldn’t have to point this out) there are exceptions to every rule including this one.
I have noticed more liberals buying guns and taking somewhat of an interest in them since the Obaminator took office in January ’09 when we had the gun ban paranoia thing for a while. Some of them actually feel passionate about their 2nd Amendment rights since then and that will cost Obama some votes this November.
I’ll add that Barack Obama created and unintentional windfall for the firearm and ammunition industry in the early half of this term. Guns, ammo, and even reloading supplies were selling faster than they could be restocked. Any gun shop worth doing business with had a full parking lot ALL day for the first few months.
Still, though, most all of the devout gun people are conservative and most liberals are still anti and I can’t see that changing significantly because of the principles and philosophies of both sides.
Okay, someone elses turn to be offended by me.
Nothing offensive about having an observation. But just because conservatives purchased fire arms out of blind paranoia that "the Muslim terrorist attending a black nationalist church" was going to seize their guns doesn't mean that every gun owner fell for that lunacy.
And how do you know many - if any - Democratic gun owners scrambled to buy guns when Obama had been elected president?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I admit there was paranoia but very few of my fellow gun nuts that I actually know or I saw a reason for it. Once the hoarding started, though, it spread and then everyone had to jump in there just to get what they would have bought anyway before it was gone.
The concern wasn’t that the Muslim terrorist that attends the black nationalist church was going to seize anything but of impending legislation that would over-tax ammunition or make future transfer of certain firearms illegal or difficult.
As it turns out, though, nothing ever came of that legislation.
The seizure thingy was more of a concern for a relative few gun people but I’m sure MSNBC or CNN made it out to be widespread.
Umm……I know some of them so it stands to reason that if I know some of them that there were more than just them buying guns. As an example, one of the foulest liberals I know bought at least a Springfield Armory .45 and quite probably one or two after that.
Next.......
Kraichgauer
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Stereotyping spread by whom?
He's probably referring to me
Anyhoo, since some of you follow politicians every move so closely you might of notice that liberals are traditionally anti-gun and conservatives pro-gun. Of course (and I shouldn’t have to point this out) there are exceptions to every rule including this one.
I have noticed more liberals buying guns and taking somewhat of an interest in them since the Obaminator took office in January ’09 when we had the gun ban paranoia thing for a while. Some of them actually feel passionate about their 2nd Amendment rights since then and that will cost Obama some votes this November.
I’ll add that Barack Obama created and unintentional windfall for the firearm and ammunition industry in the early half of this term. Guns, ammo, and even reloading supplies were selling faster than they could be restocked. Any gun shop worth doing business with had a full parking lot ALL day for the first few months.
Still, though, most all of the devout gun people are conservative and most liberals are still anti and I can’t see that changing significantly because of the principles and philosophies of both sides.
Okay, someone elses turn to be offended by me.
Nothing offensive about having an observation. But just because conservatives purchased fire arms out of blind paranoia that "the Muslim terrorist attending a black nationalist church" was going to seize their guns doesn't mean that every gun owner fell for that lunacy.
And how do you know many - if any - Democratic gun owners scrambled to buy guns when Obama had been elected president?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I admit there was paranoia but very few of my fellow gun nuts that I actually know or I saw a reason for it. Once the hoarding started, though, it spread and then everyone had to jump in there just to get what they would have bought anyway before it was gone.
The concern wasn’t that the Muslim terrorist that attends the black nationalist church was going to seize anything but of impending legislation that would over-tax ammunition or make future transfer of certain firearms illegal or difficult.
As it turns out, though, nothing ever came of that legislation.
The seizure thingy was more of a concern for a relative few gun people but I’m sure MSNBC or CNN made it out to be widespread.
Umm……I know some of them so it stands to reason that if I know some of them that there were more than just them buying guns. As an example, one of the foulest liberals I know bought at least a Springfield Armory .45 and quite probably one or two after that.
Next.......
Is there a religious component? Is anyone stashing away guns for the "upcoming apocalypse?"
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Country club conservative Newt Gingrich now thinks that it's time to "move on" from the issue of Romney's taxes. Conveniently, after info of his own tax filings are getting out.
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