Who do you want to be America's next president?

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Who?
Barack Obama 50%  50%  [ 21 ]
Mitt Romney 12%  12%  [ 5 ]
Rick Santorum 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
Ron Paul 29%  29%  [ 12 ]
Newt Gingrich 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
Total votes : 42

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24 Jan 2012, 9:18 pm

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Hell with it, I'm voting for VERMIN SUPREME!! !


You just complained that none of the candidates would support what you were talking about, and I showed you one that KINDA stood out from the rest, but you've decided to waste your vote? What's wrong with you man?


"kinda" is similar to "kinda" supporting segregation, or "kinda" supporting war, why would I want to vote for someone who "kinda" wants take my rights away?

Naw, I like Vermin Supreme better anyways... he will make a much better leader!


Why would he make a better leader?


Also, he wears a shoe as a hat! and dresses funny!


My grandma voted for George W because she felt she would be comfortable inviting him into her house to chit-chat.

Possible love connection?


Maybe. I like Vermin Supreme because he is the only person outside of Obama who does not seem to want me tossed on a island, refused rights, jailed, or executed.


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24 Jan 2012, 9:26 pm

iceveela wrote:
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iceveela wrote:
snapcap wrote:
iceveela wrote:
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Hell with it, I'm voting for VERMIN SUPREME!! !


You just complained that none of the candidates would support what you were talking about, and I showed you one that KINDA stood out from the rest, but you've decided to waste your vote? What's wrong with you man?


"kinda" is similar to "kinda" supporting segregation, or "kinda" supporting war, why would I want to vote for someone who "kinda" wants take my rights away?

Naw, I like Vermin Supreme better anyways... he will make a much better leader!


Why would he make a better leader?


Also, he wears a shoe as a hat! and dresses funny!


My grandma voted for George W because she felt she would be comfortable inviting him into her house to chit-chat.

Possible love connection?


Maybe. I like Vermin Supreme because he is the only person outside of Obama who does not seem to want me tossed on a island, refused rights, jailed, or executed.


Obama signed the 2012 NDAA which includes indefinitely detaining American citizens and legal resident aliens. He's the one most likely to do what you think the other guys would do.


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24 Jan 2012, 9:36 pm

snapcap wrote:
iceveela wrote:
snapcap wrote:
iceveela wrote:
snapcap wrote:
iceveela wrote:
snapcap wrote:
iceveela wrote:
Hell with it, I'm voting for VERMIN SUPREME!! !


You just complained that none of the candidates would support what you were talking about, and I showed you one that KINDA stood out from the rest, but you've decided to waste your vote? What's wrong with you man?


"kinda" is similar to "kinda" supporting segregation, or "kinda" supporting war, why would I want to vote for someone who "kinda" wants take my rights away?

Naw, I like Vermin Supreme better anyways... he will make a much better leader!


Why would he make a better leader?


Also, he wears a shoe as a hat! and dresses funny!


My grandma voted for George W because she felt she would be comfortable inviting him into her house to chit-chat.

Possible love connection?


Maybe. I like Vermin Supreme because he is the only person outside of Obama who does not seem to want me tossed on a island, refused rights, jailed, or executed.


Obama signed the 2012 NDAA which includes indefinitely detaining American citizens and legal resident aliens. He's the one most likely to do what you think the other guys would do.


Oh, I thought we were talking about facts here... not conspiracy theories... A lot of which has been floating around lately...

and I said before I will not vote for him for separate factual reasons.

I love how people refuse to research certain things... Ignorance is the reason I hate politics...


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24 Jan 2012, 9:41 pm

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Oh, I thought we were talking about facts here... not conspiracy theories... A lot of which has been floating around lately...

and I said before I will not vote for him for separate factual reasons.

I love how people refuse to research certain things... Ignorance is the reason I hate politics...


From Section 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA:

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Subtitle D—Detainee Matters

SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.

(a) IN GENERAL.—Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.

(b) COVERED PERSONS.—A covered person under this section is any person as follows:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

(c) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—The disposition of a person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following:
(1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
(2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law 111–84)).
(3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.
(4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person’s country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.

(d) CONSTRUCTION.—Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

(e) REQUIREMENT FOR BRIEFINGS OF CONGRESS.—
The Secretary of Defense shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application of the authority described in this section, including the organizations, entities, and individuals considered to be ‘‘covered persons’’ for purposes of subsection (b)(2).



SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.

(a) CUSTODY PENDING DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.
(2) COVERED PERSONS.—The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined—
(A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and
(B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.
(3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—For purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in section 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section 1033.
(4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY.—The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.

(b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

(c) IMPLEMENTATION PROCEDURES.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President shall issue, and submit to Congress, procedures for implementing this section.
(2) ELEMENTS.—The procedures for implementing this section shall include, but not be limited to, procedures as follows:
(A) Procedures designating the persons authorized to make determinations under subsection (a)(2) and the process by which such determinations are to be made.
(B) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not require the interruption of ongoing surveillance or intelligence gathering with regard to persons not already in the custody or control of the United States.
(C) Procedures providing that a determination under subsection (a)(2) is not required to be implemented until after the conclusion of an interrogation session which is ongoing at the time the determination is made and does not require the interruption of any such ongoing session.
(D) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not apply when intelligence, law enforcement, or other government officials of the United States are granted access to an individual who remains in the custody of a third country.
(E) Procedures providing that a certification of national security interests under subsection (a)(4) may be granted for the purpose of transferring a covered person from a third country if such a transfer is in the interest of the United States and could not otherwise be accomplished.

(d) EFFECTIVE DATE.—This section shall take effect on the date that is 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and shall apply with respect to persons described in subsection (a)(2) who are taken into the custody or brought under the control of the United States on or after that effective date.


This has Obama's signature.

You can view the whole thing here

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1540rh/pdf/BILLS-112hr1540rh.pdf


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24 Jan 2012, 9:55 pm

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iceveela wrote:

Oh, I thought we were talking about facts here... not conspiracy theories... A lot of which has been floating around lately...

and I said before I will not vote for him for separate factual reasons.

I love how people refuse to research certain things... Ignorance is the reason I hate politics...


From Section 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA:

Quote:
Subtitle D—Detainee Matters

SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.

(a) IN GENERAL.—Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.

(b) COVERED PERSONS.—A covered person under this section is any person as follows:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

(c) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—The disposition of a person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following:
(1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
(2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law 111–84)).
(3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.
(4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person’s country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.

(d) CONSTRUCTION.—Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

(e) REQUIREMENT FOR BRIEFINGS OF CONGRESS.—
The Secretary of Defense shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application of the authority described in this section, including the organizations, entities, and individuals considered to be ‘‘covered persons’’ for purposes of subsection (b)(2).



SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.

(a) CUSTODY PENDING DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.
(2) COVERED PERSONS.—The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined—
(A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and
(B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.
(3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—For purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in section 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section 1033.
(4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY.—The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.

(b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

(c) IMPLEMENTATION PROCEDURES.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President shall issue, and submit to Congress, procedures for implementing this section.
(2) ELEMENTS.—The procedures for implementing this section shall include, but not be limited to, procedures as follows:
(A) Procedures designating the persons authorized to make determinations under subsection (a)(2) and the process by which such determinations are to be made.
(B) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not require the interruption of ongoing surveillance or intelligence gathering with regard to persons not already in the custody or control of the United States.
(C) Procedures providing that a determination under subsection (a)(2) is not required to be implemented until after the conclusion of an interrogation session which is ongoing at the time the determination is made and does not require the interruption of any such ongoing session.
(D) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not apply when intelligence, law enforcement, or other government officials of the United States are granted access to an individual who remains in the custody of a third country.
(E) Procedures providing that a certification of national security interests under subsection (a)(4) may be granted for the purpose of transferring a covered person from a third country if such a transfer is in the interest of the United States and could not otherwise be accomplished.

(d) EFFECTIVE DATE.—This section shall take effect on the date that is 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and shall apply with respect to persons described in subsection (a)(2) who are taken into the custody or brought under the control of the United States on or after that effective date.


This has Obama's signature.

You can view the whole thing here

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1540rh/pdf/BILLS-112hr1540rh.pdf


Thankyou for changing the entire subject this topic was about. if you want to continue to spout nonsense and conspiracy theories about enslaved and tortured US residents, please do so here:

NDAA


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24 Jan 2012, 10:00 pm

You can vote Obama or the pony guy, but at least you're more educated about Obama. Your welcome!


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24 Jan 2012, 10:06 pm

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You can vote Obama or the pony guy, but at least you're more educated about Obama. Your welcome!


Obama helped make the debt and the terrible healthcare bill.

Granted he couldn't have done any of it without help of the congress, the supreme court, treasury, etc, etc.

So I blame everyone! Obama is just the poster child!


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24 Jan 2012, 10:10 pm

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You can vote Obama or the pony guy, but at least you're more educated about Obama. Your welcome!


Obama helped make the debt and the terrible healthcare bill.

Granted he couldn't have done any of it without help of the congress, the supreme court, treasury, etc, etc.

So I blame everyone! Obama is just the poster child!


I'm sure you'll get to the bottom of it someday.


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24 Jan 2012, 10:13 pm

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You can vote Obama or the pony guy, but at least you're more educated about Obama. Your welcome!


Obama helped make the debt and the terrible healthcare bill.

Granted he couldn't have done any of it without help of the congress, the supreme court, treasury, etc, etc.

So I blame everyone! Obama is just the poster child!


I'm sure you'll get to the bottom of it someday.


May I say the same to you...


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24 Jan 2012, 10:21 pm

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24 Jan 2012, 10:24 pm

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Oh, I thought we were talking about facts here... not conspiracy theories... A lot of which has been floating around lately...

..


I appreciate this sentiment


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24 Jan 2012, 10:28 pm

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Oh, I thought we were talking about facts here... not conspiracy theories... A lot of which has been floating around lately...

..


I appreciate this sentiment


Anytime!


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24 Jan 2012, 11:07 pm

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argle bargle


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As Written Sections 1031 and 1032 of S. 1867 Do NOT Apply to U.S. Citizens
“Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.” section 1031 NDAA 2012 page 360
“The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.” section 1032 NDAA 2012 page 362
“…modifying or expanding the authority of the Executive Branch to carry out detention and prosecution of covered persons.” Udall amendment replacing above language



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25 Jan 2012, 2:25 am

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President Kale will never raise taxes, or increase federal spending.

President Kale will never make a promise he can't keep.

President Kale will not tell you how to run your lives.

Isn't it time for a vegetable president?

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to the ron paul voters:

Since Ron Paul will lose anyways, will you sit the election, and if not, who is your second choice?


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