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01 Nov 2006, 3:28 pm

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I also don't believe allowances should be made for the muslims because it's their culture... their culture, for example involves the subjugation of women, which makes it of lesser value than mine. I believe that any muslim cleric who says it's ok to kill gays, should be shot. I believe any muslim cleric who says it's ok for women to be beaten, should be beaten daily until he decides that it damn well isn't ok.

it interests me why you single out muslims in particular, mcjeff. many fundamentalist christians condemn gays and wish to subjugate women. the visciously homophobic culture we see in somew areas of jamaica is directly caused by christianity. the caste system in india is largely perpetuated by the hindu community. there are many intollerant cultures and religions around the world, other than islamic fundamentalism.

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01 Nov 2006, 7:36 pm

McJeff wrote:

^^^Spoken like generic ignorant Eurotrash.

Can you not make a reasoned argument or is such racism about the best you can muster?

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02 Nov 2006, 1:21 am

The Christians that want to subjugate women are what we call a "radical minority". Even the ones the leftists love to use as examples such as Falwell and Buchanan, the ones who most Christians consider imbecilic maniacs, preach against those who say such things. Fred Phelps is not considered a Christian by any other branch of Christianity and lives in an armed compound with 100 supporters, most of which came from his own family by means of inbreeding.

The Indian government, last I heard, is doing its very best to route out that kind of thinking, and being fairly succesful in the urban areas while unsuccesful in the rural areas where the government power isn't as strong. It's pretty much the same as Pakistan - the civilized areas are doing pretty well, but the outlands where tribal law is the law of the land still has the same old problems.

It is human nature to be intolerant. Religion is a good excuse for many who wish to justify this.

The difference is both the virility and the quantity of the message coming from Islam as opposed to other religions.

Southern Baptists say "wives, submit to your husbands". Muslims say "women who do not wear masks are asking to be raped".

I'm not claiming that any religion or any nation is perfect - but I am claiming that Islam, and nations run under Sharia law, is the worst of all of them by far.

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02 Nov 2006, 4:52 am

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What about the war mongering homophobic torture supporting born again christian GW Bush?

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02 Nov 2006, 10:32 am

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I'm surprised you guys haven't gone off on how he listed Vlad the Impaler as a 'great leader'.

Though I guess the modern equivalent would be listing Kim Jong-Il as a great leader, and most of the far left is willing to do that.

I admire Vlad for defending his country against the Turkish/muslim invasion and oppresion.
His deeds bought south eastern europe time to prepair to defend theyr lands from islam.
If it wasn't for people like him all women in europe would be forced to wear headscarfs now.
Relgious freedom would be non-existant.

Back to the original topic.
I consider myself a nationalist rather than right wing or conservative.
I was raised without strict rules nor christianity.
My country is mostly lead by liberals.
But i strongly disagree with most things from the big political partys.

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02 Nov 2006, 12:17 pm

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I also don't believe allowances should be made for the muslims because it's their culture.

i agree, same can be said for the amish and them being given special privelages to not participate in social security.

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02 Nov 2006, 12:21 pm

Why should the Amish/anyone participate in Social Security if they don't utilize it?

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02 Nov 2006, 12:36 pm

because its not fair thats why. there are millions of people who pay into social security who will never collect from it. regular people like me and you don't have a choice to pay/not pay into it. we have to. why? i don't wanna pay into a bs program

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02 Nov 2006, 12:42 pm

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What about the war mongering homophobic torture supporting born again christian GW Bush

I love how you throw being a Christian in there as a negative personality trait equal to supporting torture and warmongering.

I've said elsewhere that I don't support Bush and find his handling of the war reprehensible. That doesn't change my opinon that the war was a necessary one.

The day Bush says "kill all muslims/gays/minorities/whatever" is the day he desecends to the level of the terrorists.

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02 Nov 2006, 12:59 pm

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The US are not the only people involved. I believe around 50 nations have had an input in the Iraq war on the side of the US.

That would be why I wrote "partly". I don't think the fact that the US started this war (no matter the position of the UN or what they did/didn't do as the result of that position) can be so easily dismissed. How does history show that war is necassary? Do you have access to information from some other dimension in which, say the second world war did not come to be and the world ended because of it, or the result was somehow worse ? War, in my opinion, often comes after the nations of the world should've intervened in situations which became worse, at least partly, because they did not intervene. If a nation's position is 'morally sound' it would help to improve bad situations in the first place. Two wrongs make a right does not sound like a 'morally sound' position to me. Having the courage to stand up for what leans more towards the 'morally sound' in the first place is a much more effective defence of any liberty. That's why I believe in peace keeping/forceful intervention. I don't think the world could ever be completely free of violence I think most major conflicts, especially right now, are counter-productive to progress in any form and screw with the world as a whole.

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02 Nov 2006, 1:01 pm

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I realize some people pay into it to no advantage for themselves. But 'regular people' use it most. So I don't think groups who never/rarely ever utilize SS should pay in or at least not the same rate. Anyway I think we live in two different countries and the systems are different, but its the systems that need fixing instead of attacking (so to speak) groups who basically govern themselves with success.

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02 Nov 2006, 1:06 pm

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The day Bush says "kill all muslims/gays/minorities/whatever" is the day he desecends to the level of the terrorists.

Between 45 061 and 50 022 dead Iraqis, there you go.

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02 Nov 2006, 1:08 pm

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richardbenson wrote:

i wasn't attacking any groups of people, i just said it wasn't fair that they get special privelages that someone who doesn't holds there beliefs gets. i didn't relise you were from canada, i like alot of the policies canadians have. here in the usa everyone is basically forced into paying ss. unless your amish, or apart someother religious sects, i guess i'm uspet that there doesn't seem to be a choice for people to pay or not pay into it. thats all

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02 Nov 2006, 4:15 pm

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Between 45 061 and 50 022 dead Iraqis, there you go.

So you're saying that even though it's the muslim terrorists obeying the words of bin Laden and Zawahiri that are causing those deaths, Bush is still responsible?

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02 Nov 2006, 4:49 pm

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Between 45 061 and 50 022 dead Iraqis, there you go.

So you're saying that even though it's the muslim terrorists obeying the words of bin Laden and Zawahiri that are causing those deaths, Bush is still responsible?

Well could you first clarify how Iraq connects to Bin Laden and Zawahiri? There's no proven link between Al Qaida and Iraq. To the best of my knowledge that was simply what George Bush stated as one of his long list of motives for sending troops off to war in Iraq. And from where I see it we've got a lot more American-hating terrorists now because of the Iraq war than we did before.
But that's just me, I'm probably just another sheep poisoned by the liberal media.

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02 Nov 2006, 5:04 pm

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Between 45 061 and 50 022 dead Iraqis, there you go.

Mainly muslims killed by their fellow muslims. Can't blame Bush for that. You could argue that that's just part of the route to a free and stable Iraq — it was inevitable; someone had to start the process and removing Saddam was that starting point. I think we're fooled by wet-liberal indoctrination here in the West to thinking that everything can be solved by goodwill and hot air at the UN. That's crap. The relative freedoms we enjoy come at a price — death and destruction. The price we've paid in the West can be measured in tens of millions of lives; a few tens of thousands is a drop in the ocean if that is part of the path to freedom for those in the middle east living under the oppression of dictatorship. Contrary to what most folk think, I believe the biggest danger the West faces from the Iraq situation is that the US will be less willing, in future, to engage in military operations. They will become like the eunuchs of the EU: destined to dhimmitude.

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