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02 Mar 2012, 10:27 pm

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That's what happens when religion takes over - legal authority becomes a tool of the religious institutions, and those who do not conform to religious doctrine are persecuted, harassed, and arrested, regardless of any disabilities that could explain their behavior.

that is not inevitable. many religions do not treat people like that. it is evident that you have a problem with religion and disagree with all aspects, but points like this just cross over into extreme illogic.

I suppose you don't like my idea of hunting and torturing all religionists as a recreational sport.



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02 Mar 2012, 10:45 pm

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That's what happens when religion takes over - legal authority becomes a tool of the religious institutions, and those who do not conform to religious doctrine are persecuted, harassed, and arrested, regardless of any disabilities that could explain their behavior.

that is not inevitable. many religions do not treat people like that. it is evident that you have a problem with religion and disagree with all aspects, but points like this just cross over into extreme illogic.

I suppose you don't like my idea of hunting and torturing all religionists as a recreational sport.

no, it makes about as much sense as hunting down atheists as a recreational sport.


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02 Mar 2012, 11:00 pm

blunnet wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
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That's what happens when religion takes over - legal authority becomes a tool of the religious institutions, and those who do not conform to religious doctrine are persecuted, harassed, and arrested, regardless of any disabilities that could explain their behavior.

that is not inevitable. many religions do not treat people like that. it is evident that you have a problem with religion and disagree with all aspects, but points like this just cross over into extreme illogic.

I suppose you don't like my idea of hunting and torturing all religionists as a recreational sport.


That sport is no fun at all, they're too easy


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02 Mar 2012, 11:06 pm

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That sport is no fun at all, they're too easy

The suicidal types are quite a challenge.



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03 Mar 2012, 9:59 am

hyperlexian wrote:
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That's what happens when religion takes over - legal authority becomes a tool of the religious institutions, and those who do not conform to religious doctrine are persecuted, harassed, and arrested, regardless of any disabilities that could explain their behavior.

that is not inevitable. many religions do not treat people like that. it is evident that you have a problem with religion and disagree with all aspects, but points like this just cross over into extreme illogic.


I think the point is not that religions do that, but that theocracies do that. There is a difference - a subtle difference, but an extremely vital one in this particular case.



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03 Mar 2012, 1:04 pm

Lord_Gareth wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
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That's what happens when religion takes over - legal authority becomes a tool of the religious institutions, and those who do not conform to religious doctrine are persecuted, harassed, and arrested, regardless of any disabilities that could explain their behavior.

that is not inevitable. many religions do not treat people like that. it is evident that you have a problem with religion and disagree with all aspects, but points like this just cross over into extreme illogic.


I think the point is not that religions do that, but that theocracies do that. There is a difference - a subtle difference, but an extremely vital one in this particular case.

most religions do not form theocracies, so it's not really a useful point. and the OP's situation has nothing to do with any theocracy.


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03 Mar 2012, 5:21 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
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hyperlexian wrote:
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That's what happens when religion takes over - legal authority becomes a tool of the religious institutions, and those who do not conform to religious doctrine are persecuted, harassed, and arrested, regardless of any disabilities that could explain their behavior.

that is not inevitable. many religions do not treat people like that. it is evident that you have a problem with religion and disagree with all aspects, but points like this just cross over into extreme illogic.


I think the point is not that religions do that, but that theocracies do that. There is a difference - a subtle difference, but an extremely vital one in this particular case.

most religions do not form theocracies, so it's not really a useful point. and the OP's situation has nothing to do with any theocracy.


Agreed about how not all religions are going to turn into theocracies. As my pastor - who is about as far away from a theocrat as can be imagined - had said more than once:
"Any church says they can solve all the problems if they were in charge, keep the guns away from them."

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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05 Mar 2012, 3:18 am

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She sounds genuinely terrified of demons, which is ridiculous for a modern adult in the developed world, but I have a tiny bit of sympathy for her. I also feel for you because parents need to be consistent; changing the way she interacts with you so dramatically and suddenly is terribly confusing. If the whole demonic possession thing wasn't considered a valid part of Catholicism (I assume your Mum is Catholic), I'd actually worry about her mental health.


like half a dozen people allegedly saw the possession including the police officer(he was the one who took kid to Church)

@Hyperlexian i haven't said anything yet, i tried to talk to my mom but she refused to listen and told me she doesn't want me saying any of my Atheist bulls*** anymore, i gave that as a possible option AFTER i get a job(searching, had 1 interview so i guess that's a good thing)


I think your towns got some pretty deep issues if it treats a kid freaking out at school as demonic possession I am thinking mental illness or a mental condition might have been more likely to have cause what these crazy people in your town took as demonic possession. I'd get very far away from this place as soon as you can.....it can't be good for you.



it wasn't my town thankfully, it was a nearby town that my mom is a high school SED teacher at


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05 Mar 2012, 3:25 am

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That's what happens when religion takes over - legal authority becomes a tool of the religious institutions, and those who do not conform to religious doctrine are persecuted, harassed, and arrested, regardless of any disabilities that could explain their behavior.



Where's the ACLU???


Also, do you have any links to news articles about this, Mr OP?


no but my mom was there from the classroom to the church so yeah i have decided to just lay low for now when talking to my mom


oh im planning on becoming an officially ordained minister of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster the certificate of ordainment only costs $20 i haven't told my mom yet


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05 Mar 2012, 4:47 am

hyperlexian wrote:
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hyperlexian wrote:
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That's what happens when religion takes over - legal authority becomes a tool of the religious institutions, and those who do not conform to religious doctrine are persecuted, harassed, and arrested, regardless of any disabilities that could explain their behavior.

that is not inevitable. many religions do not treat people like that. it is evident that you have a problem with religion and disagree with all aspects, but points like this just cross over into extreme illogic.


I think the point is not that religions do that, but that theocracies do that. There is a difference - a subtle difference, but an extremely vital one in this particular case.

most religions do not form theocracies, so it's not really a useful point. and the OP's situation has nothing to do with any theocracy.


Actually, most religions do.

Christianity does, judaism does, islam does, hinduism does, buddhism does etc etc.

Perhaps you should study some history before spouting rubbish as fact.



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05 Mar 2012, 5:01 am

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My mom used to support me in my beliefs, even though she is Christian, yesterday she allegedly saw one of her students in her SED class possessed and the school police officer took him to a church to be exorcised, apparently his grandma cursed his family. today my mom got me a crucifix which i immediately said F*** NO to and my mom forbade me from saying ANYTHING about Atheism anymore.......im sorry who i am is not going to change if she can't accept that im gonna tell her to f*** off and she will be dead to me, my favorite Uncle(strident Atheist and moms favorite brother) is already dead, my older brother has already abandoned us just because we hate his new wife, so i wonder how mom will act if i abandoned her also?


Can you leave home?

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05 Mar 2012, 5:40 am

DC wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
Fnord wrote:
That's what happens when religion takes over - legal authority becomes a tool of the religious institutions, and those who do not conform to religious doctrine are persecuted, harassed, and arrested, regardless of any disabilities that could explain their behavior.

that is not inevitable. many religions do not treat people like that. it is evident that you have a problem with religion and disagree with all aspects, but points like this just cross over into extreme illogic.


I think the point is not that religions do that, but that theocracies do that. There is a difference - a subtle difference, but an extremely vital one in this particular case.

most religions do not form theocracies, so it's not really a useful point. and the OP's situation has nothing to do with any theocracy.


Actually, most religions do.

Christianity does, judaism does, islam does, hinduism does, buddhism does etc etc.

Perhaps you should study some history before spouting rubbish as fact.


Has yet to happen in America - though I am well aware that there are plenty of conservative religious elements that would like to do just that.
I don't know of any mainline Christians, Jews, or Muslims in this country, though, who would.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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05 Mar 2012, 5:57 am

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Has yet to happen in America - though I am well aware that there are plenty of conservative religious elements that would like to do just that.
I don't know of any mainline Christians, Jews, or Muslims in this country, though, who would.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The State of Israel is also governed under positive secular law (formulated by the Knesset) Othodox Jews have far too much power in Israel do to a peculiarity of their political system, but the constitution of the State of Israel (founded by Jews) is mostly secular.

The place to go to see religious belief turned into political tyranny is the Muslim domain. In the Middle East Muslims would not know what a right is, even if it bit them on the nose.

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05 Mar 2012, 6:01 am

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Has yet to happen in America - though I am well aware that there are plenty of conservative religious elements that would like to do just that.
I don't know of any mainline Christians, Jews, or Muslims in this country, though, who would.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The State of Israel is also governed under positive secular law (formulated by the Knesset) Othodox Jews have far too much power in Israel do to a peculiarity of their political system, but the constitution of the State of Israel (founded by Jews) is mostly secular.

The place to go to see religious belief turned into political tyranny is the Muslim domain. In the Middle East Muslims would not know what a right is, even if it bit them on the nose.

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05 Mar 2012, 2:34 pm

DC wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
Fnord wrote:
That's what happens when religion takes over - legal authority becomes a tool of the religious institutions, and those who do not conform to religious doctrine are persecuted, harassed, and arrested, regardless of any disabilities that could explain their behavior.

that is not inevitable. many religions do not treat people like that. it is evident that you have a problem with religion and disagree with all aspects, but points like this just cross over into extreme illogic.


I think the point is not that religions do that, but that theocracies do that. There is a difference - a subtle difference, but an extremely vital one in this particular case.

most religions do not form theocracies, so it's not really a useful point. and the OP's situation has nothing to do with any theocracy.


Actually, most religions do.

Christianity does, judaism does, islam does, hinduism does, buddhism does etc etc.

Perhaps you should study some history before spouting rubbish as fact.

are you aware that there have been many thousands of religions throughout history? apparently not, because then you'd realise your point is rubbish. the vast majority of religions have not had theocracies. i guess you are unaware that there are many religions besides those major ones lol.

also, the OP is not living in a theocracy.


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06 Mar 2012, 6:42 pm

You can actually have fun and get your point across to your mother. Start pointing out as many absurd things as you can find and attach some random religious interpretation, then ask, "don't you think?" At first she may think you are siding with her temporary insanity, but eventually she will get the point. Until then it should be good for some laughs.