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How can you "stick to the Bible" when there are so many different versions of it? Ever compared a King James version to a Catholic version? There are a ton of extra books in the Catholic version. Moreover, the Ten Commandments aren't even the same. Certain passages such as the dietary laws are also altered or omitted in the Catholic version. How do you know which Bible version has not already been perverted by mankind's interpretation? This is even assuming that the very concept of the Bible is not mankind's invention!

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The plain thought in Enlish is this: God knew men weren't perfect so he made provisions for it by allowing them to do things that aren't right, such as slavery.

Now the question is did I just make it up or does bible teaches it. So I used to following reasoning to show that bible indeed teaches it:

1)divorce IS condoned, BUT Jesus said it is wrong

2)replace "divorce" with "slavery'

3)slavery IS condoned BUT still wrong in god's eyes.



I thought you were questioning the implication of scriptures (such as slavery and such) so of course I have to quote the scripture in order to see if it, indeed, implies what you alledge it to.



That is because we are sinful and thus are incapable of understanding the bible due to OUR condition. So this doesn't speak against bible, it speaks against us.

And by the way with science it is the same thing. Right now in physics gravitation and quantum mechanics are incompatible, so you have a huge paradox. Does it mean physics is wrong? No, it is humans who can't interprete correctly what they see in physics lab. Now cross out physics lab and put bible in there. So the bible gives a bunch of facts just like physics lab gives a bunch of experimental outcomes. And then in each case HUMAN MIND is needed to "connect dots together". So since humans aren't perfect, they find many different ways of connecting dots together. Thus, many alternative physics theories OR many alternative Christian denominations.

I agree that there was scribal corruption, but at least these versions APPROXIMATE what the bible originally said. It weren't totally made up since there IS some correlation with dead see scrolls. Now I agree that there are discrepancies so it isn't inerant, but it is close enough.

Like you said "Personally". And PERONAL opinions vary from person to person.



Like I said before:

1)Old Testament condones divorce BUT Jesus said the sole reason it was condoned was because of "hardness of people's hearts"

2)Replace divorce with slavery

3)So slavery is wrong, but it was only condoned because of hardness of hearts of slaveowners.

If slavery was wrong in God's eyes, he should have come right out and said so. He did it for a lot of other thing he said was wrong, like gay sex and wearing clothing woven from two kinds of cloth. "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is pretty straighforward. "Thou Shalt Not Enslave Thy Fellow Man" would have been the end of slavery. Quite the oversight.




So in what way is your interpretation of the Bible an exception to the above? Never mind. I'll just accept your word that you are incapable of understanding the Bible and leave it at that.

i dont need a bible to know what is right and what is wrong, even though i had bad examples of parents i could cut through the bullcrap of religion to know that god loved me when i was a child, young adult, and senior. the bible was writtren by men, not jesus.

How do you know that the Dead Sea scrolls were not made up as well? I mean that it is possible that the content of the Dead Sea scrolls is untrue, I don't mean that somebody "planted" the scrolls.

God was supposed to have created the heavens and the earth and all the animals, and He saw that they were all good, right?

Remember, divorce was wrong in his eyes, BUT he waited untill Jesus was born in order to "come out and say it". Why didn't he say it back in old testament? Because people's hearts were too hard.

The same with slavery. May be even in New Testament times people weren't yet ready to learn that slavery isn't okay. Jesus told his disciples that they had yet to learn something, which is why they had to wait till pentacost. Now, after the pentacost none of Jesus' disciples were slave owners.




So in what way is your interpretation of the Bible an exception to the above? Never mind. I'll just accept your word that you are incapable of understanding the Bible and leave it at that. [/quote]

I never said it is. The verse against homosexuality is very straightforward. As far as other parts of the bible, I am more confident in some than in others.

Then maybe in modern times people weren't ready to learn that homosexuality is ok, and God is just waiting for the right time.

Well, somehow it happends that people who are born in different societies take different things for granted. For example muslim suicide bombers are sure that they are doing the right thing. The point is that whatever you feel is right or wrong was taught to you since you were a couple of months old, so you are used to taking it for granted all your life. Now, why does it coincide with biblical principles? Because you happened to be born in Christian country rather than muslim one. Thus, the ultimate source of all that you know is the bible.




But men recorded what they remember Jesus saying.

There is a difference between something being NOT okay verses something being OKAY. God never said that NOT having slaves is NOT okay.

This assumes that they remember with 100% accuracy, and that it actually happened in the first place.

During the first century, it costed their LIFES to defend their faith. So if it was made up, why would they do it? And they would of known it is a lie since they claimed to be eye wittnesses.

Also, what you are saying can be said about virtually anything. For example, may be there is conspiracy among cosmanaughts to lie that they see earth as a little blue ball when they circle around it. Or may be various historical events were made up just for intertainment since you weren't born to see them.



Yes he did ... untill the original sin. Homosexuality, among all the other sins on earth, are consequences of that one sin. And by the way god no where condoned slavery back in Eden either.

God never said anything, His word is always being dictated through mortal man's lips or pen.

Like I said earlier I don't think it is 100% accurate, for one thing there is differences in accounts of 4 different gospels. But no history book is totally accurate either. So what I am saying is that simply discarding the whole thing will be far more inaccurate.

By the same logic, even things that are in front of your eyes don't exist either, it is just a bunch of neurons firing that cause your brain to perceive it.