God sacrificed his only son to absolve our sins???

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I was under the impression that Jesus was god. That he came to Earth to save us all. So the idea that god sacrificed his son is perplexing. I think it is just poetic sounding and the church authorities use it to confound the population in order to keep them feeling dumb and easy to control.

I have read large parts of the bible and I honestly believe it has not been written for anyone to understand or make sense of, but is written to deliberatly confuse the masses. These church men who claim to know what it means are lying to their flocks.

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Actually the beauty of free speech is most clear in blasphemy. You're little lich king christ gets all ticky whenever some says "god damn", and I'm perfectly free to scream that as loud as I want. The law is not concerned with how offended your fictional character gets, nor is it concerned with how offended you get, and that is exactly the way it should be. If you don't like it, move to a theocracy.

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There is a variation of the Emperor's new clothes in which the new suit is sold as being only visible to "intelligent" people. It works exactly the same way, with everyone preferring to lie than to be revealed as stupid.

That bible quote reminds me of that. Stupid people afraid of letting others know that they are stupid will tell to themselves "ooh I got to show I fear god, that way people will think I am wise instead of figuring out the truth".

Your reply sounds more like number 2 to me. Specifically about creating a religious hierarchy. Interesting point about people aggrandizing themselves almost to the point of being worshipped. Look at the "Pope" for example.

Like I've said, most of them don't believe in god or jesus as being a sky wizard, they know that religion was formed out of parenting and became the consolation prize that was given to the child with the most compromised life. They believe that you are Jesus, the son of god and should be a believer because it will make your life easier for you when you get nothing you wanted out of it. They are confusing a quantity of people and enabling another quantity of people to make more money, have better jobs, do better in school, have more friends, actually know the people they talk to. Religion turns the chosen into gods and leaves the rest behind as a second class who is ignorant of their standing because they don't realize that there are 2-3 faces to religion. There are those who are in the know, those who are ignorant, those who are in between. I happen to fit a fourth category of In the know for the most part, but disagree with the institution.

I have to wonder about the pope though... Is he the kind of believer that has been hoodwinked so badly that he has wasted his life and has to keep believing in order to not feel like an idiot, or is he just wearing a robe and he's really just some guy with a made up history? Something different perhaps? Either way... the man is no greater than any other... probably less of a man due to thinking or pretending he has magic.

I think that being bedecked in all of the jewels and riches and whatnot helps him to come to a decision rather quickly.

Well the motivations are different and it is written in "Holy book poetry." Things don't mean what they say and don't say what they mean. Holy books speak in allegorical code. You have to approach it from a specific perspective in order to understand it. First, don't judge... that means, don't judge the believer for being stupid because you think he believes that his holy book refers to an actual god. HE DOESN'T BELIEVE! He only pretends to believe because that is part of practicing religion. You have to pretend you believe in order for it to work. It only works if everyone believes that the religious actually believe, and after that, the fake believers can entice the nonbeliever in and make him believe because he grew up and no one adjusted his reality to what most of the religious understand. Generally people are told because people are good at pretending and people's parents pretend, so it's an assumption we just kind of make for our entire lives. But no, they don't believe and they won't tell you. There is a way of speaking that identifies a person as being in the know and anyone not in the know is an obvious pretender based on the language used. Either that or they've lost their mind to isolation and desperation.

Women for instance know from the time they are children that Jesus is fake... most of them do anyways, only rarely are women stoned in the west... for the most part they are immune and learn to pretend to believe long before men are let out of their cage. I think I was first told when I was between 6-8 and due to some bad times returned to believing because it made life easy on me... however it was all too easy to stay there given social pretense... somehow I had forgotten and of course true belief means guilt according to the insider language of the religious. It was made perfectly clear to me at that time what religion was, but once you start believing again, people are more than willing to let you and test you. When you believe, everything really is a test and it just makes your life worse and more painful. In order to ever be free and happy, you really have to know that the practice of religion is fake, otherwise you will see the world in a different way. Some say that America is the utopia that it is (was) because of religious freedom, but religious freedom is just the freedom to put people down and trample them. It's the freedom to tell a lie that has deleterious effects on people's lives and get away with it. It is the freedom to abuse your children for life if you never tell them that it is all just pretense for the sustenance of the ignorant. The food of the ignorant is pretense.

But what is it worth to wear stuff that really isn't yours? He has no genetic offspring to leave it to. No widow to benefit from it. I truly feel sorry for that man if his life story is true. We should raise money to preserve him with cryonics and give him another chance at life.

I doubt very much if he, or any other high-powered religious leader, actually believes.

Religionists of the world rejoice, you are all the SAME. Someone points to a valid flaw in one of your stories and rather than address the flaw or explain why they still believe it, you shout blasphemer. Thankfully in the West folk got sick and tired of the stake burnings and removed most of the churches power.

I for one am "a little tired" of the expectation that I will respect irrational and nonsensical stories.

Those who have pointed out that child sacrifice is common throughout the bible are correct, as is the notion of self sacrifice to save others throughout literary history and for that matter real historical events. Also a great many lies to my mind come such as the statements attached to war, specifically "they died so we could be free". In some cases this may have a level of voracity but in many it is complete and utter BS, again I have a specific use in mind.

Here in Australia we celebrate the failure to invade Turkey at Gallipoli as some kind of "birth of a nation" event, the line that the "ANZAC troops died so we could be free" is spoon fed to the populace to such an extent that I was punched in the face for pointing out that the ones "who died so they could be free" were in fact the Turks. That punch was much like Ragtimes "blasphemy" charge. I suspect the truth punctures their cognitive dissonance and they react.

Why is it that people refuse to see the obvious, I am assuming that as no-one has come forward to defend their belief that "God sacrificed his only son......" That they know well they cant, and yet I bet they will join the hundreds of millions who go to church each Easter thanking God for his magnanimous gesture

Having a savior die for your sins so to speak is nothing really new Pagans had similar beliefs that we Christians have.

More to the point they had to make up a story explaining how the local population manage to kill "the son of god" in a manner far worse than a common criminal could expect.

What perplexes me is how so many people still believe a story with such obvious and damning contradictions

No he has admitted to not being a believer in the deity and all that... I think... and he just wants you to communicate by the religious standard and not expose the truth behind it all. Pay more attention to what others are writing here.