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Burzum
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10 May 2012, 11:01 pm

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Correct. In computer programming != is the symbol used for "does not equal." Since I don't know how to get the proper does not equal sign on a WP I just went with the computer version.

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11 May 2012, 12:00 am

radical moderate/radical independent/partial nationalist (if that counts)



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11 May 2012, 12:07 am

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I'm not sure if I feel comfortable with any ideology anymore. There are extreme flaws in all of them. In Dutch politics, I've found that all parties have done, in a way, the opposite of what they said they said they'd do.

Fiscal conservatives increased our deficit by damaging the economy and reducing tax income under rising unemployment.
Under economic liberals, the economy stumbled on, sometimes falling into recession.
Social democrats caused social constructs of safety to drop away from the people they said they'd protect.
Under conservative coalitions, the crime rate went up rather than down.

I'm currently writing down my beliefs. These are the core points:

- Core European cultures and shared values should always, in Europe, be held superior to any other culture and enforced in any way necessary.
- All education should be completely secular, and states should never base anything on religion.
- The European Union should be given a choice: reform to something actually helping people, or be abolished.
- Instead of austerity measures, we should have economic measures aimed at improving the long-term economic situation of our countries.
- The state should call on everyone's responsibility for each other. Effective social order is enforced from the bottom up, not from the top down.
- Petitions and referendums should be taken more seriously.
- Rights should be respected until they infringe on other people's rights or our dominant culture.
- No public display of foreign nationalism should be tolerated; I've utterly had it with Turkish flags flown all over the place.
- If people behave stupidly or offensively, society should correct them. If that fails, criminal justice should correct them in any way it can.

I feel your pain on the foreign flags part (Mexican flags are widespread in the states), as well as other parts that you mentioned. I don't trust political parties anymore (I think Canada's gone corrupt with the states).



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11 May 2012, 12:07 am

ruveyn wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:

Is it unjust for laws to be enforced?
(except for in the case of pot where the issue is the law being enforced unevenly)


It is unjust for unjust laws to be enforced. It is unjust for the decrees of tyrants to be enforced.

Think of the Nazi race laws. Was it just for such laws to be enforced?

ruveyn


Yeah, equal rights and a social safety net aren't nazi race laws.
A more relevant example would be Jim Crow.
Thankfully in the US there is a legal pathway to removing/changing unjust laws.


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11 May 2012, 3:28 am

Several people have stolen my "radical moderate" position, even though I haven't even outlined it.

I am strangely proud.



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11 May 2012, 5:56 am

Burzum wrote:
AstroGeek wrote:
Correct. In computer programming != is the symbol used for "does not equal." Since I don't know how to get the proper does not equal sign on a WP I just went with the computer version.

=/=

Yeah, but it's more fun to be a computer nerd.



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12 May 2012, 4:06 am


for those WPers lacking a character map on their puters, save this in a .doc [rtf] file [or something like that] for future reference.



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12 May 2012, 11:17 am

auntblabby wrote:

for those WPers lacking a character map on their puters, save this in a .doc [rtf] file [or something like that] for future reference.

You can also create an automatic correction in MS Word.



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12 May 2012, 3:03 pm

But it's more fun to use the the nerdy computer notation!



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12 May 2012, 5:31 pm

enrico_dandolo wrote:
Several people have stolen my "radical moderate" position, even though I haven't even outlined it.

I am strangely proud.


So you're from the dangerously fanatical and extreme middle-of-the-road!?



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12 May 2012, 6:19 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
enrico_dandolo wrote:
Several people have stolen my "radical moderate" position, even though I haven't even outlined it.

I am strangely proud.


So you're from dangerously fanatical and extreme middle-of-the-road!?


He's so middle of the road, it's a miracle he hasn't been run over yet. I'm not really sure what 'radical moderate' is supposed to mean, though. There are two parties where I live that think of themselves as the 'radical centre', but they've always been known for explicitly having no ideas of their own. One says it's pragmatic, the other changes its 'core social views' every two years.



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12 May 2012, 11:18 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
enrico_dandolo wrote:
Several people have stolen my "radical moderate" position, even though I haven't even outlined it.

I am strangely proud.


So you're from the dangerously fanatical and extreme middle-of-the-road!?

Actually, I use it because I think of "my" moderate positions as a genuine, independant positions, not as a working compromise between two extremes. I also believe extreme changes, even for the best, are bad in themselves, and show be avoided at all cost, but that is more reformism.

It can also be said to show I like witty names and oxymora, but I leave this to your judgement.



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12 May 2012, 11:29 pm

I am a solid social democrat. I support policies that strive for effective equality of opportunity, and that requires some equality of starting conditions through equitable schools and elimination of gross imbalances in parental income//neighbourhoods. I support a basic income of C$10K/year, to be mailed out in instalments, support German style labour co-determination statutes, support a financial transactions tax and carbon tax offset by rebates, would replace the income tax with a steeply progressive consumption tax, and generally dislike regressive means of financing government.


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13 May 2012, 12:39 am

Master_Pedant wrote:
I am a solid social democrat. I support policies that strive for effective equality of opportunity, and that requires some equality of starting conditions through equitable schools and elimination of gross imbalances in parental income//neighbourhoods. I support a basic income of C$10K/year, to be mailed out in instalments, support German style labour co-determination statutes, support a financial transactions tax and carbon tax offset by rebates, would replace the income tax with a steeply progressive consumption tax, and generally dislike regressive means of financing government.


I think your definition of a social democrat is synonymous with what I call a liberal progressive, which I call myself.

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13 May 2012, 3:10 am

there needs to be more american voters similar to you two.



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13 May 2012, 5:11 am

When there are social problems than I'm a social democrat.
When there are issues about freedom, than I'm liberal.
When there are environmental problems than I support more environmental awareness.
So I would say that I'm social, liberal and green.
The problem is my opinion to the economy. I don't know if I should support a more limited or a free economy.

(I think freedom and social security are not mutually exclusive so I'm not totally liberal)