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15 Jun 2012, 5:31 pm

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Obama appoints first ever Assassination Czar

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President Obama appointed John Brennan as the sole person in charge of designating people to be assassinated on Tuesday.


"I'm going to kill you, YES I WILL!"
Brennan is being put in charge of a vetting process for targets of drone attacks. I think the idea behind this is to reduce our chances of sending out a drone, only to find out too late we've got the wrong guy. It's actually a very good idea.

You seem to have a paranoid fantasy, here, that Obama is out to whack you or something. As much as this fantasy probably appeals to you, you are not that interesting. Get over it.


30,000 drones are projected to be over US skies by 2020.

How is this exactly MY paranoid fantasy? I doubt Obama cooked this up by himself.


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15 Jun 2012, 5:33 pm

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Obama appoints first ever Assassination Czar

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President Obama appointed John Brennan as the sole person in charge of designating people to be assassinated on Tuesday.


"I'm going to kill you, YES I WILL!"
Brennan is being put in charge of a vetting process for targets of drone attacks. I think the idea behind this is to reduce our chances of sending out a drone, only to find out too late we've got the wrong guy. It's actually a very good idea.

You seem to have a paranoid fantasy, here, that Obama is out to whack you or something. As much as this fantasy probably appeals to you, you are not that interesting. Get over it.


30,000 drones are projected to be over US skies by 2020.

How is this exactly MY paranoid fantasy? I doubt Obama cooked this up by himself.
In the same way that the 9/11 conspiracy theories were a paranoid fantasy. How is the weather up your butt there, by the way?



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15 Jun 2012, 5:35 pm

WilliamWDelaney wrote:
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snapcap wrote:
Obama appoints first ever Assassination Czar

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President Obama appointed John Brennan as the sole person in charge of designating people to be assassinated on Tuesday.


"I'm going to kill you, YES I WILL!"
Brennan is being put in charge of a vetting process for targets of drone attacks. I think the idea behind this is to reduce our chances of sending out a drone, only to find out too late we've got the wrong guy. It's actually a very good idea.

You seem to have a paranoid fantasy, here, that Obama is out to whack you or something. As much as this fantasy probably appeals to you, you are not that interesting. Get over it.


30,000 drones are projected to be over US skies by 2020.

How is this exactly MY paranoid fantasy? I doubt Obama cooked this up by himself.
In the same way that the 9/11 conspiracy theories were a paranoid fantasy. How is the weather up your butt there, by the way?


You didn't answer my question, because I can ask you the same question about 9/11.


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15 Jun 2012, 6:50 pm

snapcap wrote:
WilliamWDelaney wrote:
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Obama appoints first ever Assassination Czar

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President Obama appointed John Brennan as the sole person in charge of designating people to be assassinated on Tuesday.


"I'm going to kill you, YES I WILL!"
Brennan is being put in charge of a vetting process for targets of drone attacks. I think the idea behind this is to reduce our chances of sending out a drone, only to find out too late we've got the wrong guy. It's actually a very good idea.

You seem to have a paranoid fantasy, here, that Obama is out to whack you or something. As much as this fantasy probably appeals to you, you are not that interesting. Get over it.


30,000 drones are projected to be over US skies by 2020.

How is this exactly MY paranoid fantasy? I doubt Obama cooked this up by himself.


Not every drone is equipped to kill anyone. In fact, I'd think most don't.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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15 Jun 2012, 7:13 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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WilliamWDelaney wrote:
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Obama appoints first ever Assassination Czar

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President Obama appointed John Brennan as the sole person in charge of designating people to be assassinated on Tuesday.


"I'm going to kill you, YES I WILL!"
Brennan is being put in charge of a vetting process for targets of drone attacks. I think the idea behind this is to reduce our chances of sending out a drone, only to find out too late we've got the wrong guy. It's actually a very good idea.

You seem to have a paranoid fantasy, here, that Obama is out to whack you or something. As much as this fantasy probably appeals to you, you are not that interesting. Get over it.


30,000 drones are projected to be over US skies by 2020.

How is this exactly MY paranoid fantasy? I doubt Obama cooked this up by himself.


Not every drone is equipped to kill anyone. In fact, I'd think most don't.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Most are probably smaller, for spying purposes. I wonder if some of the smaller ones will be equipped with unprovable death.

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15 Jun 2012, 7:21 pm

snapcap wrote:
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snapcap wrote:
WilliamWDelaney wrote:
snapcap wrote:
Obama appoints first ever Assassination Czar

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President Obama appointed John Brennan as the sole person in charge of designating people to be assassinated on Tuesday.


"I'm going to kill you, YES I WILL!"
Brennan is being put in charge of a vetting process for targets of drone attacks. I think the idea behind this is to reduce our chances of sending out a drone, only to find out too late we've got the wrong guy. It's actually a very good idea.

You seem to have a paranoid fantasy, here, that Obama is out to whack you or something. As much as this fantasy probably appeals to you, you are not that interesting. Get over it.


30,000 drones are projected to be over US skies by 2020.

How is this exactly MY paranoid fantasy? I doubt Obama cooked this up by himself.


Not every drone is equipped to kill anyone. In fact, I'd think most don't.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Most are probably smaller, for spying purposes. I wonder if some of the smaller ones will be equipped with unprovable death.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSEnurBApdM[/youtube]


Good ol' CIA. Funny, their Mafia hire and Anti-Castro contract agents had to use real guns in Dealy Plaza.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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16 Jun 2012, 6:35 am

snapcap wrote:
WilliamWDelaney wrote:
snapcap wrote:
WilliamWDelaney wrote:
snapcap wrote:
Obama appoints first ever Assassination Czar

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President Obama appointed John Brennan as the sole person in charge of designating people to be assassinated on Tuesday.


"I'm going to kill you, YES I WILL!"
Brennan is being put in charge of a vetting process for targets of drone attacks. I think the idea behind this is to reduce our chances of sending out a drone, only to find out too late we've got the wrong guy. It's actually a very good idea.

You seem to have a paranoid fantasy, here, that Obama is out to whack you or something. As much as this fantasy probably appeals to you, you are not that interesting. Get over it.


30,000 drones are projected to be over US skies by 2020.

How is this exactly MY paranoid fantasy? I doubt Obama cooked this up by himself.
In the same way that the 9/11 conspiracy theories were a paranoid fantasy. How is the weather up your butt there, by the way?


You didn't answer my question, because I can ask you the same question about 9/11.
Kraichgauer answered. Stop staring at your colon.

1) We've been using automated weapons for years.

2) The targets are terrorists, and by that I mean people who are planning attacks on large numbers of unarmed civilians.

3) The targets are not even on American soil. The targets are people on foreign soil who have targets who actually are on American soil!

4) The only thing new about this "assassination czar" is that now someone is setting a policy to keep the WRONG people from being targeted.

5) And yet you seem to think that the American government is intent on whacking you, an absolute nobody, and you think this "assassination czar" is intent on making up a hit list with your name at the top of it.

You have lost your freaking mind.



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16 Jun 2012, 1:00 pm

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Kraichgauer answered. Stop staring at your colon.

1) We've been using automated weapons for years.


We've been blowing people up into submission for awhile, I agree.

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2) The targets are terrorists, and by that I mean people who are planning attacks on large numbers of unarmed civilians.


Is that all? They claim that they are very precise, but I doubt they are as much as they claim.

U.S. Drone Policy: Standing Near Terrorists Makes You A Terrorist

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"It in effect counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent," the Times reports. "Counterterrorism officials insist this approach is one of simple logic: people in an area of known terrorist activity, or found with a top Qaeda operative, are probably up to no good."


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3) The targets are not even on American soil. The targets are people on foreign soil who have targets who actually are on American soil!


The US soil is now considered a "battlefield". If they feel like they can justify calling someone a terrorist just because they live in proximity of the people they REALLY targeting, how more loosely will terrorist be defined in the future?

The NDAA basically gives the government the ability to take suspected terrorists on US soil in for indefinite detention while we are at war. We've been at war for a long time, when is it going to end? I don't think it's going to for awhile. The homeland is now considered a part of the battlefield.

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4) The only thing new about this "assassination czar" is that now someone is setting a policy to keep the WRONG people from being targeted.


Doing a good job wasting our money!

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5) And yet you seem to think that the American government is intent on whacking you, an absolute nobody, and you think this "assassination czar" is intent on making up a hit list with your name at the top of it.


I guess if I gave them a reason, it's not entirely out of the ballpark, considering the steps that have lead up to the point we're at now. I'm sure past presidents had "kill lists" but I don't remember one that announced that they did.

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You have lost your freaking mind.


No you.

If you've forgotten what this whole thing is about, or maybe never knew, I'll give you a clue.

Afghanistan's resources could make it the richest mining region on earth

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Afghanistan, often dismissed in the West as an impoverished and failed state, is sitting on $1 trillion of untapped minerals, according to new calculations from surveys conducted jointly by the Pentagon and the US Geological Survey.


Wonder what else is hiding in the rest of the region?

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16 Jun 2012, 1:06 pm

I bet that if there weren't resources in the area that Israel never would have got the amount of aid it gets now, and we'd never had been interested in it.

9/11 never would have happened(in this context). Many of the conflicts in the ME probably wouldn't have happened. Heck, the ME might have been more friendly to the US.

But I'm sure we'd be fighting someone else for resources.


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16 Jun 2012, 1:19 pm

They appointed him for foreign nationals. THere was always a review for killing a US national abroad. The NSC has to chime in iirc.

We've been using less accurate cruise missile strikes for decades now. There is nothing new about killing civilians. In WWII we took out whole cities. Accuracy today is greatly improved but war is always going to be war. And we are at war with AQ. Congress authorized it.



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16 Jun 2012, 1:28 pm

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They appointed him for foreign nationals. THere was always a review for killing a US national abroad. The NSC has to chime in iirc.

We've been using less accurate cruise missile strikes for decades now. There is nothing new about killing civilians. In WWII we took out whole cities. Accuracy today is greatly improved but war is always going to be war. And we are at war with AQ. Congress authorized it.


A war that's not about defending Israel, or spreading democracy, or fighting "terrorism". They have detained American citizens over seas, and I feel it's a matter of time until they target citizens on the mainland, if they haven't already.

Wonder who is in charge of notifying your family in the event of your sudden disappearance? :wink:


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16 Jun 2012, 1:34 pm

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They appointed him for foreign nationals. THere was always a review for killing a US national abroad. The NSC has to chime in iirc.

We've been using less accurate cruise missile strikes for decades now. There is nothing new about killing civilians. In WWII we took out whole cities. Accuracy today is greatly improved but war is always going to be war. And we are at war with AQ. Congress authorized it.


A war that's not about defending Israel, or spreading democracy, or fighting "terrorism". They have detained American citizens over seas, and I feel it's a matter of time until they target citizens on the mainland, if they haven't already.

Wonder who is in charge of notifying your family in the event of your sudden disappearance? :wink:


You are entitled to your opinion.

If you are young you may not realize that we've been jousting with terrorism for 30 years. It's not make believe and it's become more serious over time. We need to find a way to affordably combat it and drones seem like a good tool.



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16 Jun 2012, 2:53 pm

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If I could vote...I'll probably vote for some one who is against Obama...That person happens to be Romney 8O

Which one is the lesser of teh two evils???

I would also vote for anyone but Obama if I could, including Vladimir Putin and Hugo Chavez. But I also don't like Rommney, based on his track record as governor and his support of socialized health care. Is Nader running again this year by chance?

Take a moment to look what the actual socialists are saying about Obama's/Romney's healthcare reforms. They hate it nearly as much as the Republicans. What he is proposing is in no way socialism.

Also, why would you vote for Hugo Chavez over Obama? Chavez most certainly believes in socialized healthcare.



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16 Jun 2012, 2:57 pm

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They appointed him for foreign nationals. THere was always a review for killing a US national abroad. The NSC has to chime in iirc.

We've been using less accurate cruise missile strikes for decades now. There is nothing new about killing civilians. In WWII we took out whole cities. Accuracy today is greatly improved but war is always going to be war. And we are at war with AQ. Congress authorized it.


A war that's not about defending Israel, or spreading democracy, or fighting "terrorism". They have detained American citizens over seas, and I feel it's a matter of time until they target citizens on the mainland, if they haven't already.

Wonder who is in charge of notifying your family in the event of your sudden disappearance? :wink:


You are entitled to your opinion.

If you are young you may not realize that we've been jousting with terrorism for 30 years. It's not make believe and it's become more serious over time. We need to find a way to affordably combat it and drones seem like a good tool.


What is your opinion why terrorism and extremism began?

I don't just distrust the US merely because of all the campaigns they are engaged in all over the world, but because these campaigns have have an effect on the rights, freedoms and privacy of their citizens, whom have little to do with it. All these articles I post are nice, aren't they? Not in the eye's of the governments, which is why the internet will be heavily regulated in the future, unless people come together and demand that legislation is enacted to guarantee their internet is safe.

I completely understand that these wars are supposed to benefit our side, because if we don't pounce on the resources, someone else will, but people are going to have to sacrifice too much. I think we have already. Who is really the people benefiting from all this now?


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16 Jun 2012, 6:16 pm

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Were I a cynical person, I'd have to think voting for anything other than the two major parties is tantamount to flushing your ballot down the toilet.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Since I am an even more cynical person, I realize that individual voting is largely symbolic as nobody casts the one "deciding ballot".


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16 Jun 2012, 6:50 pm

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Were I a cynical person, I'd have to think voting for anything other than the two major parties is tantamount to flushing your ballot down the toilet.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Since I am an even more cynical person, I realize that individual voting is largely symbolic as nobody casts the one "deciding ballot".


True, but get enough individuals to vote for a candidate, and that changes everything.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer