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02 Jun 2012, 9:41 pm

But, to get at things I dislike about my country:

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I see that in this cutthroat society, based on a "greed is good" philosophy, unlimited profit seeking, selfishness, fraud and greediness for money dominates everywhere. Money is absolutely the bottom line for everything. In America, the rich are truly rich and the poor are hopelessly poor. In my opinion, the United States today has the most advanced system of private tyranny. Private corporations have enormous power in this country and they take advantage of an apparently legal slave labor, terribly exploiting the working class people. Corporate bosses earn millions while workers struggle to survive without living wages. From my point of view, the majority of jobs here today are still extremely exploitative. The U.S. minimum wage is ridiculous. Working for $5 an hour is slavery and nothing else. Therefore, poor people and homeless people make up a significant portion of the population in this country. Millions of hard-working Americans live permanently at the edge of poverty. There is no doubt that economic injustice is the most important issue of today's America. The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, and all the people in the middle are just falling down. I see that people in this society are secondary to corporate power and profits. Freedom for market dominates over freedom for people. In fact, at least 80 percent of Americans are simply robbed by this exploiting system. I've noticed how American corporate propaganda always surely emphasizes that in European countries - "welfare states"- people have to pay a much higher taxes. In fact, taxes in most of Western Europe, even in Scandinavia, are just slightly higher than an average 34 percent of income Americans pay. The main thing is what people receive in return for their taxes. In European social- democracies everybody has a "cradle-to-grave" comfortable feeling of security and care. Question: What are citizens of this country getting for their tax dollars? Answer: Next to nothing! People's taxes support armament instead of basic human needs here.


American culture is also very bland and prudish. People are overly obsessed with their careers, and with their sports teams. Americans spend their lives working and consuming. There is nothing else to them. Americans are nothing but empty, hollow shells.



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02 Jun 2012, 9:45 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
But, to get at things I dislike about my country:

Valdas Anelauskas wrote:
I see that in this cutthroat society, based on a "greed is good" philosophy, unlimited profit seeking, selfishness, fraud and greediness for money dominates everywhere. Money is absolutely the bottom line for everything. In America, the rich are truly rich and the poor are hopelessly poor. In my opinion, the United States today has the most advanced system of private tyranny. Private corporations have enormous power in this country and they take advantage of an apparently legal slave labor, terribly exploiting the working class people. Corporate bosses earn millions while workers struggle to survive without living wages. From my point of view, the majority of jobs here today are still extremely exploitative. The U.S. minimum wage is ridiculous. Working for $5 an hour is slavery and nothing else. Therefore, poor people and homeless people make up a significant portion of the population in this country. Millions of hard-working Americans live permanently at the edge of poverty. There is no doubt that economic injustice is the most important issue of today's America. The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, and all the people in the middle are just falling down. I see that people in this society are secondary to corporate power and profits. Freedom for market dominates over freedom for people. In fact, at least 80 percent of Americans are simply robbed by this exploiting system. I've noticed how American corporate propaganda always surely emphasizes that in European countries - "welfare states"- people have to pay a much higher taxes. In fact, taxes in most of Western Europe, even in Scandinavia, are just slightly higher than an average 34 percent of income Americans pay. The main thing is what people receive in return for their taxes. In European social- democracies everybody has a "cradle-to-grave" comfortable feeling of security and care. Question: What are citizens of this country getting for their tax dollars? Answer: Next to nothing! People's taxes support armament instead of basic human needs here.


American culture is also very bland and prudish. People are overly obsessed with their careers, and with their sports teams. Americans spend their lives working and consuming. There is nothing else to them. Americans are nothing but empty, hollow shells.


I hope you're saying that AS an American otherwise it could easily be called +r011ing.



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02 Jun 2012, 9:49 pm

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These come to mind right off but not necessarily in this order.

Not enough national pride/patriotism.
Unstable economy.
Too much reliance on world market and foreign industry.
Too many liberals (more than 0 is way too many).
Too much greed/ selfishness.
Not a firm enough hand in diplomacy.
Not enough industry.
Too much of a nanny state.


Do you regard yourself as "fascist?"


I regard myself as patriot but that equates to fascism on this forum so whatever........



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02 Jun 2012, 10:24 pm

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These come to mind right off but not necessarily in this order.

Not enough national pride/patriotism.
Unstable economy.
Too much reliance on world market and foreign industry.
Too many liberals (more than 0 is way too many).
Too much greed/ selfishness.
Not a firm enough hand in diplomacy.
Not enough industry.
Too much of a nanny state.


Do you regard yourself as "fascist?"


I regard myself as patriot but that equates to fascism on this forum so whatever........


How would you distinguish this from Fascists in other countries? For example, Franco's Spain, Mussolini's Italy, Hitler's Germany, or various South American dictators?

Is the difference one of terminology only? When referring to Americans who hold these values, are they exclusively to be called "Patriots?" And, the term "Fascist" would apply only to people in other countries who hold the same set of values? Or, are the terms completely interchangeable regardless of nationality?



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02 Jun 2012, 10:28 pm

Aside from the people, the police, and the politics, it's not such a bad place.


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02 Jun 2012, 11:12 pm

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American culture is also very bland and prudish. People are overly obsessed with their careers, and with their sports teams. Americans spend their lives working and consuming. There is nothing else to them. Americans are nothing but empty, hollow shells.

Everybody being obsessed with their careers is an exaggeration. There definitely are people that are that way, but many just want to punch the clock and go about other aspects of their life in their free time. Some even have a job simply to support a charitable passion. A lot of people here like sports, but Raiders, Dodgers, and Lakers fans are usually the main instigators of trouble, and usually that is nothing compared to what breaks out at soccer (European football) games and seems to be about on par with unrest in rugby fans the rest of the sports and racing fans tend to be fairly well behaved. It's true there is an obsession with acquiring possessions here, but that's far from uniquely American.


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02 Jun 2012, 11:15 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Raptor wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Raptor wrote:
These come to mind right off but not necessarily in this order.

Not enough national pride/patriotism.
Unstable economy.
Too much reliance on world market and foreign industry.
Too many liberals (more than 0 is way too many).
Too much greed/ selfishness.
Not a firm enough hand in diplomacy.
Not enough industry.
Too much of a nanny state.


Do you regard yourself as "fascist?"


I regard myself as patriot but that equates to fascism on this forum so whatever........


How would you distinguish this from Fascists in other countries? For example, Franco's Spain, Mussolini's Italy, Hitler's Germany, or various South American dictators?

Is the difference one of terminology only? When referring to Americans who hold these values, are they exclusively to be called "Patriots?" And, the term "Fascist" would apply only to people in other countries who hold the same set of values? Or, are the terms completely interchangeable regardless of nationality?


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How would you distinguish this from Fascists in other countries? For example, Franco's Spain, Mussolini's Italy, Hitler's Germany, or various South American dictators?


That's easy; I won't bother to distinguish it...........



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02 Jun 2012, 11:32 pm

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How would you distinguish this from Fascists in other countries? For example, Franco's Spain, Mussolini's Italy, Hitler's Germany, or various South American dictators?


That's easy; I won't bother to distinguish it...........


It's clear that is because there isn't an exact way to distinguish it.


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02 Jun 2012, 11:41 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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How would you distinguish this from Fascists in other countries? For example, Franco's Spain, Mussolini's Italy, Hitler's Germany, or various South American dictators?


That's easy; I won't bother to distinguish it...........


It's clear that is because there isn't an exact way to distinguish it.

That's easy! We have constitutional safeguards that they either never had or they discarded. Just because Raptor listed something as a social problem does not mean that it can be fixed directly by government, and in some cases making an attempt to directly or indirectly fix it can make matters worse than the original problem. That is nothing new in politics.


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02 Jun 2012, 11:44 pm

John_Browning wrote:
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ArrantPariah wrote:
How would you distinguish this from Fascists in other countries? For example, Franco's Spain, Mussolini's Italy, Hitler's Germany, or various South American dictators?


That's easy; I won't bother to distinguish it...........


It's clear that is because there isn't an exact way to distinguish it.

That's easy! We have constitutional safeguards that they either never had or they discarded. Just because Raptor listed something as a social problem does not mean that it can be fixed directly by government, and in some cases making an attempt to directly or indirectly fix it can make matters worse than the original problem. That is nothing new in politics.


Well most of those could be more or less 'fixed' by the government, but chances are if they were we'd have something resembling facism.


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03 Jun 2012, 3:00 am

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Far right conservatives bother me a heck of a lot, especially the free speech fanatics. The free speech fanatics should have no qualms with this since I am just representing my freedom of speech.

Most of the biggest free speech fanatics are liberal. Those that want free speech and protections against any curbs on religion are usually conservative or libertarian.


Is that really true though? I thought the biggest free speech fanatics were rightward leaning libertarians. But then again, I'm not overly knowledge in politics.

I was talking about free speech bullies - people who hide behind free speech to excuse (deliberate) bad behavior. I was also talking about people who seem to think verbal abuse is okay because it is free speech. I always think these people are trolls but when I see them in real life, I have to accept that some of these people are not trolls.

I also dislike the Ayn Rand followers very much.



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03 Jun 2012, 3:04 am

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I think I am going to start a campaign urging people to protest our idiotic political system by simply not voting. Of course, the republicans would all still vote, so it would be a failure.

It would be far better to urge them to vote for a third party candidate than to urge them not to vote at all.


No, I don't like any of the third parties. It is the whole entire system that needs to be rejected, which means 0 citizens voting.



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03 Jun 2012, 3:31 am

Too much greed and corruption.

A government of self serving politicians that has the founders turning over in their graves.

An education system that barely qualifies you to run a carnival ride.

Bureaucracy.

A healthcare system that is focused on money rather than health.

Religion in government.

A mismanaged Military.

A litigious public.


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03 Jun 2012, 8:37 am

heavenlyabyss wrote:
AstroGeek wrote:

heavenlyabyss wrote:
I think I am going to start a campaign urging people to protest our idiotic political system by simply not voting. Of course, the republicans would all still vote, so it would be a failure.

It would be far better to urge them to vote for a third party candidate than to urge them not to vote at all.


No, I don't like any of the third parties. It is the whole entire system that needs to be rejected, which means 0 citizens voting.

There are enough third parties to represent just about any ideology. If you don't like any of them then replacing the system isn't going to do you one iota of good.



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03 Jun 2012, 9:17 am

We've got major cities rotting out to the point of being patches of third world due to internal policies.

I've uncovered 'the man' - his name is Ben Bernanke. We've really got to figure out what we're going to do about the Federal Reserve and their lack of accountability.

We've got a skyrocketing deficit that may very well flip our country inside out and land us in the position of being several dictatorships when so many people will be too Madison Avenued to have the testicular fortitude to rise to the occasion of what needs to be done right now (ie. major stimulus to business, carefully optimized tax structure, and MAJOR federal spending cuts).

We've got cities on a given coast where you can be heavily fined, arrested, even end up in jail for several months if you decide to play catch football on the beach and decide to ignore the initial fine. In these places people are much more worried about outdoor smoking than women's rights in third world countries or even fiscal responsibility at a local level.


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03 Jun 2012, 10:20 am

AstroGeek wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Raptor wrote:
These come to mind right off but not necessarily in this order.

Not enough national pride/patriotism.
Unstable economy.
Too much reliance on world market and foreign industry.
Too many liberals (more than 0 is way too many).
Too much greed/ selfishness.
Not a firm enough hand in diplomacy.
Not enough industry.
Too much of a nanny state.


Do you regard yourself as "fascist?"

I was thinking that word would describe him rather well, too. And I don't throw it around lightly, because most people misuse it.


Oops, I didn't see this before.
From you this is a compliment.
Thank you! :D