Why do dark skinned males commit so much crime?

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04 Jun 2012, 5:59 pm

I think it's mix of their oppression and also negative cultural memes that originated in Africa. Though black street crime is nothing compared to the crimes against humanity the economic elite commit and get away with.



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04 Jun 2012, 8:42 pm

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Because they are brought up through more poverty and generally deal with a lot more prejudice in general. In other words they usually have a rougher life so sometimes they get desperate and go to crime. It can happen to anyone it just so happens to be the minority populous that ends up this way because they usually have a harder life.


Poverty and prejudice? People assumed Chinese immigrants to be comically stupid dock workers. Two generations later, they're the finest doctors in the west. What I do genuinely believe is that African-American (and, for Europe, North African) culture is most of the cause. There is certainly a conflict there.

Personally, I don't feel comfortable around them. Why? Because they invaded my garden twice, stole my sister's bicycle from my garden while we were sitting in the living room, stole a car next to my house in broad daylight, broke into the house next door and threw fireworks at children. Those are black people's crimes that could be seen from my house in the past five years. Their behaviour is a cause rather than a consequence of prejudice. There's a reason people stare when a black person walks around here - it's because statistically, based on previous experience, black people who visit this neighbourhood are about to commit a crime.



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04 Jun 2012, 8:54 pm

Round up the usual excuses.

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04 Jun 2012, 9:21 pm

donnie_darko wrote:
I think it's mix of their oppression and also negative cultural memes that originated in Africa. Though black street crime is nothing compared to the crimes against humanity the economic elite commit and get away with.


You've obviously never been a victim of crime before.



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04 Jun 2012, 10:59 pm

It must be remembered, from the mid 19th century to the first half of the 20th century, the people inhabiting the inner city, formed gangs, and were accused of perpetrating most crime weren't blacks, but were the Irish, Italians, and Eastern European Jews. But those groups were eventually allowed to share fairly in the American dream. Blacks on the other hand are still often excluded because they are just that - black. And that entails a whole can of worms.

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04 Jun 2012, 11:14 pm

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It must be remembered, from the mid 19th century to the first half of the 20th century, the people inhabiting the inner city, formed gangs, and were accused of perpetrating most crime weren't blacks, but were the Irish, Italians, and Eastern European Jews. But those groups were eventually allowed to share fairly in the American dream. Blacks on the other hand are still often excluded because they are just that - black. And that entails a whole can of worms.

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There's a (half) black president in the US now. Quit using "the white man is trying to keep the blacks down" as an excuse.

If anything, reverse racism contributes more to the problem.



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05 Jun 2012, 12:27 am

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It must be remembered, from the mid 19th century to the first half of the 20th century, the people inhabiting the inner city, formed gangs, and were accused of perpetrating most crime weren't blacks, but were the Irish, Italians, and Eastern European Jews. But those groups were eventually allowed to share fairly in the American dream. Blacks on the other hand are still often excluded because they are just that - black. And that entails a whole can of worms.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


There's a (half) black president in the US now. Quit using "the white man is trying to keep the blacks down" as an excuse.

If anything, reverse racism contributes more to the problem.


Just because there's a black man in the White House now doesn't mean that racism doesn't still exist.
And while I agree, reverse racism is ugly, it's still no uglier than old fashion racism. And incidentally, it's not reverse racism that's trying to disqualify President Obama's election with BS birther conspiracies. Nor is reverse racism behind disenfranchising black and Latino voters with the BS charge of voter fraud.

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05 Jun 2012, 3:28 am

Rainy wrote:
donnie_darko wrote:
I think it's mix of their oppression and also negative cultural memes that originated in Africa. Though black street crime is nothing compared to the crimes against humanity the economic elite commit and get away with.


You've obviously never been a victim of crime before.


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05 Jun 2012, 6:49 am

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It must be remembered, from the mid 19th century to the first half of the 20th century, the people inhabiting the inner city, formed gangs, and were accused of perpetrating most crime weren't blacks, but were the Irish, Italians, and Eastern European Jews. But those groups were eventually allowed to share fairly in the American dream. Blacks on the other hand are still often excluded because they are just that - black. And that entails a whole can of worms.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


There's a (half) black president in the US now. Quit using "the white man is trying to keep the blacks down" as an excuse.

If anything, reverse racism contributes more to the problem.


Just because there's a black man in the White House now doesn't mean that racism doesn't still exist.
And while I agree, reverse racism is ugly, it's still no uglier than old fashion racism. And incidentally, it's not reverse racism that's trying to disqualify President Obama's election with BS birther conspiracies. Nor is reverse racism behind disenfranchising black and Latino voters with the BS charge of voter fraud.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Who said anything about racism being non-existent? The fact that a half-black person could get elected president is evidence that it's no longer significant enough to be the main cause of the problems. The birth certificate issue had no effect, and voter fraud racism issues isn't the cause of poverty.



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05 Jun 2012, 8:55 am

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Who said anything about racism being non-existent? The fact that a half-black person could get elected president is evidence that it's no longer significant enough to be the main cause of the problems. The birth certificate issue had no effect, and voter fraud racism issues isn't the cause of poverty.


And when was the last time we had a rip roaring race riot in the U.S. complete with rivers of blood and burning buildings. The last one I remember was in the Watts section of L.A.

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05 Jun 2012, 8:57 am

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Rainy wrote:

Who said anything about racism being non-existent? The fact that a half-black person could get elected president is evidence that it's no longer significant enough to be the main cause of the problems. The birth certificate issue had no effect, and voter fraud racism issues isn't the cause of poverty.


And when was the last time we had a rip roaring race riot in the U.S. complete with rivers of blood and burning buildings. The last one I remember was in the Watts section of L.A.

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It has been a while, hasn't it?



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05 Jun 2012, 9:01 am

It's interesting to me that none of the people who are disagreeing with this have ever actually lived it.

If one of you who disbelieve this, were actually poor, African American (or even latino for that matter), had lived in a place in America that is known for racism (Harlem or the like) and had actually lived the experience yourselves, and then still disagreed with it, then I might be inclined to take you more seriously.


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05 Jun 2012, 9:24 am

Kjas wrote:
It's interesting to me that none of the people who are disagreeing with this have ever actually lived it.

If one of you who disbelieve this, were actually poor, African American (or even latino for that matter), had lived in a place in America that is known for racism (Harlem or the like) and had actually lived the experience yourselves, and then still disagreed with it, then I might be inclined to take you more seriously.


I'm glad you seem to know what you're talking about. Do you happen to be a poor African-American male from a bad neighbourhood? Last time I checked, you were the exact opposite of that. I've been discriminated against for being white and for being male. That's another reason why I don't buy into the idea that, in spite of facts and evidence (conveniently not adressed), the situation black people are in is blamed on discrimination.



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05 Jun 2012, 9:46 am

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I'm glad you seem to know what you're talking about. Do you happen to be a poor African-American male from a bad neighbourhood? Last time I checked, you were the exact opposite of that. I've been discriminated against for being white and for being male. That's another reason why I don't buy into the idea that, in spite of facts and evidence (conveniently not adressed), the situation black people are in is blamed on discrimination.


I have lived in America for a couple of years before. I am a latina. I am poor.
I know exactly what it's like to be constantly hassled and harrassed by cops, just because it happens to be night and because of my skin color, and because I am with friends who are either latino or african american, on our way to a friends place after a night out and getting stopped in the process, searched, ID checks, etc with no probable cause. This has happened too many times to remember.

I know what it's like to be mucking around and chasing each other through a park, only to have cops instantly assume the worst, cuff all 3 of us and leave us sitting on the curb while they check out if any of us have a criminal record or a warrant for arrest. Based on no probable cause and on nothing more than the color of our skin and the fact that we were running. (cause y'know, that means we must have stole something :roll: )

In every country I have lived in, I have seen racism and classism. Either directed at myself or at those around me who I'm close to.


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05 Jun 2012, 9:56 am

I'm afraid being hassled by police serves a purpose. Must have something to do with your age - the police sometimes bother me. Not because I'm white, but because I'm under thirty, so they assume things. My friends, also white, have reported similar situations. The difference, I think, between white youths and black youths being questioned by police is that black youths are much more likely to be doing something bad. The only real reason the amount of Antilleans held by police is 55% instead of 75%, I think, is because police can't visibly prioritise them.



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05 Jun 2012, 10:00 am

HisDivineMajesty wrote:
Kjas wrote:
It's interesting to me that none of the people who are disagreeing with this have ever actually lived it.

If one of you who disbelieve this, were actually poor, African American (or even latino for that matter), had lived in a place in America that is known for racism (Harlem or the like) and had actually lived the experience yourselves, and then still disagreed with it, then I might be inclined to take you more seriously.


I'm glad you seem to know what you're talking about. Do you happen to be a poor African-American male from a bad neighbourhood? Last time I checked, you were the exact opposite of that. I've been discriminated against for being white and for being male. That's another reason why I don't buy into the idea that, in spite of facts and evidence (conveniently not adressed), the situation black people are in is blamed on discrimination.

So my opinions don't count on this subject unless I am black or have lived in a poor neighborhood? That doesn't make sense to me. And this is the internet. What was stopping me from saying I was black and lived in a poor neighborhood?

Because I was not alive during WWII my ideas (or knowledge or opinions, this could go for any subject) must not count on it either :roll:


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