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23 Jul 2012, 4:28 pm

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The fact that political leaders attend is a bit disheartening. I'd almost feel a little better if it was all private corporations.

Not too sure if the rich would taste too good. I absolutely hate caviar.

Groups will inevitably pursue interests which benefit them. However, there are many other attempts to establish a world government (the world federalists, for instance) which have different objectives than the Bilderberg Meetings and the Club of Rome.

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23 Jul 2012, 4:35 pm

What is the point of you guys to make fun of this? I understand some of you
are highly educated, but it's post-secondary institutions that are shoved an agenda
to teach you that educated you. You honestly think the Chicago Boys were educated at Chicago University?
No. They used that "education" to destroy Argentina and turn it into a free market of chaos.

You guys are getting an education and entertainment value by reading this- Just as you would any piece of
literature....

You all contradict yourselves

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23 Jul 2012, 4:39 pm

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You all contradict yourselves

Monkey see, monkey do.

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23 Jul 2012, 4:48 pm

And I don't know if you know this, but "business" is based on lies. It's based on heartlessness.

An example: My neighbor came to my door and needed some cream. Of course it's not my obligation to give
him any - as it is mine and I've paid for it, BUT, because I have a heart and I have more than enough for myself - I
decided to give him some. This is not business. Business was created by man, as a means of
fulfilling his greed and justifying it. Hence the term "business is business."

And since Wall Street is owned by the American Government which is owned by the UN, it caters to business'. Not just any business of course, but BIG busienss. Business' that don't have hearts and only care about the bottom line. If Wall Street were any different you'd see organic food business' and dispensaries on the NYSE. So ask yourself: Where is apple getting all it's capital? YOU. AND YOUR FRIENDS. AND YOUR MOM WHO DOESN'T NEED AN iPHONE. AND HER CO WORKERS. AND HER BOSS. AND THE ENTIRE COMPANY. How many people actually need MacBooks that are on Student Loans? Are you honestly going to sit there and tell me that a large portion of the student populace who uses government subsidizes doesn't allocate their resources properly, even though they have alternatives available to them?

An example: A hipster buys a macbook and pretends they're savvy, smart, trendy and in no way do they have any plans of paying the government back until they "find a job." However - they could have easily allocated four hundred dollars and bought an ACER or a Toshiba. Or instead of an iPod, you could buy a cheap MP3 player (touch). Who NEEDS 80 GB of music on their MP3 player, when the CD/walkman could only hold like 500MB or less? We immediately feel ENTITLED to so many things when they're made readily available to us...

Whatever happened to standing up and doing the right thing whether or not it affected your "bottom line"?

Sure, P2P file sharing should be legal in my defense, however, What happened to actually going out and buying that vinyl record player and physically sharing music? Facebook recently created "frictionless sharing" meaning, you never have to actually connect with ANYBODY if you want to get something. Kind of like Hyperactive trading off of Wall Street - which by the way physical traders DESPISE.

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23 Jul 2012, 4:58 pm

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Business - "An economic system in which goods and services are exchanged for one another or money, on the basis of their perceived worth. Every business requires some form of investment and a sufficient number of customers to whom its output can be sold at profit on a consistent basis."

Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/defin ... z21U8HcCQm

http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/about/what ... e-business

And to quote you:

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It's taken away any responsibility to form grass roots organizations dedicated to boycotting brands or changing the environment aside from Greenpeace or Peta.

Hopefully, you'll enjoy eating your words as much as you do sharing them.

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23 Jul 2012, 5:00 pm

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Business is a way of organizing productive activity to produce goods and services for sale to the public.

Just about every convenience and technology from which you have benefited is the product of "heartless" business which you so grandly trash. That includes the food you eat and the underwear beneath your trousers and, yes, the trousers too.

Without business you would be dead of starvation or exposure.

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23 Jul 2012, 5:03 pm

WhiteWidow wrote:

What is the point of you guys to make fun of this? I understand some of you
are highly educated, but it's post-secondary institutions that are shoved an agenda
to teach you that educated you.

Academics, especially in my field, tend to be very independently minded. I have no interest in promoting someone else's agenda.

WhiteWidow wrote:

You honestly think the Chicago Boys were educated at Chicago University?
No. They used that "education" to destroy Argentina and turn it into a free market of chaos.

Not so. Like any country, the U.S. has tried to spread its sphere of influence around the world. It is imperialism, not a conspiracy.

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You guys are getting an education and entertainment value by reading this- Just as you would any piece of
literature....

In my case, I am encouraging you to research specific issues, not to buy into these "big picture" arguments.

WhiteWidow wrote:

You all contradict yourselves

Well, different people, including yourself, have particular views. You can't expect people on any message board to agree. That does not mean we are part of a conspiracy.

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23 Jul 2012, 5:03 pm

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An example: A hipster buys a macbook and pretends they're savvy, smart, trendy and in no way do they have any plans of paying the government back until they "find a job." However - they could have easily allocated four hundred dollars and bought an ACER or a Toshiba. Or instead of an iPod, you could buy a cheap MP3 player (touch). Who NEEDS 80 GB of music on their MP3 player, when the CD/walkman could only hold like 500MB or less? We immediately feel ENTITLED to so many things when they're made readily available to us...

Whatever happened to standing up and doing the right thing whether or not it affected your "bottom line"?

Another example: Some guy smokes his ass off, goes to an alternative media source and pretends they're smart, trendy, and in no way do they have any plans of doing anything about what they read "until everyone is awake" (much like your example, that will be never and the person knows this). However, they could have easily allocated four hundred dollars to something besides cannabis and acted on their knowledge by building a self-sufficient generator from spare parts, fortifying their home, applying filters to their water and perhaps even going as far as arranging their own water works and gas installation. We immediately feel ENTITLED to tell people so much stuff when info is made readily available to us but....I must ask...

Whatever happened to standing up and doing the right thing? I guess that's our job, not yours.

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23 Jul 2012, 5:09 pm

JanuaryMan wrote:

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Well I'm pretty sure when the Russians marched in 1905 it wasn't one person who was fed up with the czar. So yes I have done the right thing. No I don't need to learn how to build a generator from spare parts, because I wasn't planning on people taking more than their fare share, and now I'm asking for people to slow down so that the rest of the world doesn't have big business export their labor over seas since a synthetic demand is being created here in NA for items we don't NEED.

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23 Jul 2012, 5:11 pm

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Sure, P2P file sharing should be legal in my defense, however, What happened to actually going out and buying that vinyl record player and physically sharing music? Facebook recently created "frictionless sharing" meaning, you never have to actually connect with ANYBODY if you want to get something. Kind of like Hyperactive trading off of Wall Street - which by the way physical traders DESPISE.

1) P2P trading is legal. In many countries. And in the US, too, depending on the properties being shared.
2) Physical items take up too much space and requires you pay all for 1, in a modern society where people have less space and income at their disposal. Besides, I thought you were against people buying into materialistic things?
3) Last sentence is full of fail. Can't even begin to go there.

Look, dude, just lay off the chronic and read up on everything you debate about. Don't just hope some talking points on an alternate media source will help you wing it through on a politics board. Actually come into the place with some knowledge on the stuff you are talking about first.

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23 Jul 2012, 5:12 pm

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And I don't know if you know this, but "business" is based on lies. It's based on heartlessness.

I agree with you, generally speaking, on the heartlessness of global capitalism (also called neoliberal or neoclassical economics). That is why I am a global socialist.

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And since Wall Street is owned by the American Government which is owned by the UN, it caters to business'.

I think it is the other way around. Wall Street companies, through their lobbyists, exert influence on the U.S. government. That is why it took so long to prosecute tobacco companies.

And what evidence do you have that the American government is "owned by the UN"? Personally, I wish you were right, but I am not that optimistic.

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23 Jul 2012, 5:12 pm

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I see it all the time! I was a volunteer for Capital City Clean Up

I see people throw their trash all over the place! People are LOSING their sense of responsibility and gaining a sense of ENTITLEMENT. "Someone else will pick it up" is the mentality. If anything we're gaining a sense of responsibility to government rather than to each other...

And we live in smaller spaces now because of the degrading market. I wouldn't have to live in a bachelor suite if I could afford a 1 bedroom with a balcony, but because of the price of rent inflating ten fold every year I have to stay put..

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23 Jul 2012, 5:14 pm

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The last part of your sentence is clearly aimed at Apple based on your previous argument. You are not hip for disliking Apply no more than you are hip for being pro Apple. Get over it. Besides, where do you think all your Toshiba and Dell laptop components are manufactured? Where do you think most of the world's components for these goods are manufactured at that? Do you think they are any better conditions for workers than Foxconn giving they originate from the same region of the world? Nope. A cheap laptop is no more "righteous" a purchase than an iPod or iPad.

Another thing, if people aren't standing up to the government as a whole that must mean they haven't yet reached that point of discontent. Why coerce people to participate in something you yourself aren't bothering to? That's hardly charismatic.

And that last post about entitlement..just so you know you feel entitled to share this info and expect others to clean up the mess that is government. How is that much different?

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23 Jul 2012, 5:18 pm

its the same parts a long way of the way, most of the difference is the exterior, there is even less of a difference when looking at actual raw material usage.

in a way by buying a mac you will essentially have thrown more of your disposable income away, meaning your overall consumption of actual raw materials is less.(this is not meant as a jab of apple, i disregarded software, ease of use and a host of other factors or the sake of argument)

what about art?
its a waste of productive time and resources, should we ban it?

keep it digital?
wouldnt we then run into problems with the need for computers capable of rendering that art?

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24 Jul 2012, 1:29 am

yes white widow, there are a few inconsistencies in your last post. surely an ipod with huge memory capacity is less wasteful than buying a load of cds or vinyl, not to mention the attendant devices required to play them? your views seem rather selective at this point.

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24 Jul 2012, 8:48 am

More Agenda 21 and NWO Proof

http://www.lsnewsgroup.com/2012/07/23/a ... r-is-here/

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