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16 Aug 2012, 11:38 pm
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17 Aug 2012, 3:46 am
That's pretty much the gist of it isn't it?
f**k, I'd be ashamed if I were that paranoid.
Your nation is going down the toilet because of attitudes like yours ... this costs us cold hard cash, jobs, security, everything. It's costing everyone right now, not in the future. I know for you it's fun and games and not serious, just a sort of character act or identity based off of video games and popular television shows and movies, an act like pretending you're John Wayne or a crotchety grandfather, but it's not just an endearing identity, it has real consequences. Being foolish is a luxury you can't afford anymore, and consequently, we can't afford to indulge either.
We are politically and philosophically so far apart that any serious debate on what's wrong with the world and how to set it right would be a perpetual pissing contest.
If we conservatives weren't so stupid we'd be liberals, right?
Whatever.....
i think that the fact it ends in a pissing contest is what he is complaining about.
it doesnt have to and not all political systems are as black and white as yours, something the actions and opinions of the people involved have had no little part in.
17 Aug 2012, 4:09 am
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17 Aug 2012, 2:09 pm
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17 Aug 2012, 3:39 pm
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17 Aug 2012, 6:10 pm
17 Aug 2012, 6:39 pm
If God does not condone killing for any reason, then the Pope has a lot of explaining to do, and he should apologize to Turkey in Arabic or Turkish for stopping their invasion of central Europe, and the Mongols for aiding the Byzantine empire and defending the holy land!Violence can solve many things- especially repelling violent people. This can apply to nations as well. Look at even WWI- it may have been primarily about which European monarch could prove he had the biggest dick, but even then, it still had the benefit of the fall of the Ottoman empire.
If the government wants to avoid a civil war, it's a no-brainer: leave certain hot button issues alone! The second amendment is not dust about national security and home defense, it was also intended to keep the government honest and accountable to the voters. Our constitutional convention understood that democracies eventually face a crisis and so far have all so far inevitably failed at some point. They also understood that corrupt and tyrannical people have a tendency to rise to power. Man were they ever right about that! Our founders wanted to make sure there was one final line of defense against this- the ability to remove them by violent force.
Many liberals, especially in urban and suburban areas tend to find this scary. However, you probably wouldn't notice a violent uprising much. It can probably be arranged that iphone service will not be affected so you can play angry birds and follow Snooki and the Kardashian sisters on Twitter, I'm sure it will be the government's doing if the internet was affected since cutting people's access to facebook, porn, and ebay would create a second rebellion, the malls are a great haven to keep hipsters occupied, and I don't see any reason why dancing with the stars or American idol would need to be interrupted because it's best to keep the clueless and braindead...well...clueless and braindead. A conservative-libertarian society would offer basically the same trappings to the sheep as a socialist government, but with more to offer for those that take up their civic responsibility. If someone wants a government to baby them, protect them from their own stupid decisions, give you everything as long as the government can keep up deficit spending, and protect you from feeling offended, there already is no shortage of countries that do all that. They can move to one of those places.
To have a successful revolution you need the support of a majority of the population, or else you just got yourself a bloodbath. a**hole.
TOS....remember
18 Aug 2012, 2:26 pm
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18 Aug 2012, 6:12 pm
18 Aug 2012, 7:29 pm
Of course this can't be verified completely(as one is free to dispute it), and furthermore being political it is subjective, but the C.W.I.'s(Committee For A Workers' International) U.S. branch claims to have won 8.5% of the vote in Washington state.
source: 8.5% for socialist candidate in Washington state
Socialism in the U.S. is far from dead, and in fact is very much alive.
This is kind of off-topic(but angers me nonetheless), I've a friend who claims that A): "Unionism is not only highly unpopular amongst most Americans, but is 'on it's way out.'" and B): "Most Americans don't want socialism, because our country was founded on 'capitalist' values, therefore anyone who says otherwise isn't a patriot," etc.
They accused me of hating America, being unpatriotic, and not having the best interests of "most Americans" at heart. In reality, I love this country, and only want to see a better system in place that benefits the majority and not the wealthy minority. I am thinking of studying American history(spec. the American Revolution) for a college major, and already know a great deal about America's revolution and esp. General George Washington.
Note that this friend also stated recently that "I don't want universal healthcare because it will ruin my middle-class lifestyle"(read: higher taxation).
I'm not exaggerating their statements. That's all them.
Can anyone verify the truthfulness of their statements, please?
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18 Aug 2012, 7:53 pm
Of course this can't be verified completely(as one is free to dispute it), and furthermore being political it is subjective, but the C.W.I.'s(Committee For A Workers' International) U.S. branch claims to have won 8.5% of the vote in Washington state.
source: 8.5% for socialist candidate in Washington state
Socialism in the U.S. is far from dead, and in fact is very much alive.
This is kind of off-topic(but angers me nonetheless), I've a friend who claims that A): "Unionism is not only highly unpopular amongst most Americans, but is 'on it's way out.'" and B): "Most Americans don't want socialism, because our country was founded on 'capitalist' values, therefore anyone who says otherwise isn't a patriot," etc.
They accused me of hating America, being unpatriotic, and not having the best interests of "most Americans" at heart. In reality, I love this country, and only want to see a better system in place that benefits the majority and not the wealthy minority. I am thinking of studying American history(spec. the American Revolution) for a college major, and already know a great deal about America's revolution and esp. General George Washington.
Note that this friend also stated recently that "I don't want universal healthcare because it will ruin my middle-class lifestyle"(read: higher taxation).
I'm not exaggerating their statements. That's all them.
Can anyone verify the truthfulness of their statements, please?
Preachin' to the choir. Your friend is clearly wrong. And by the way, he may someday need universal healthcare to rescue him if the unthinkable happens.
And as a side note, I'm happy to see that radical progressiveness still lives on in my home state of Washington.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
19 Aug 2012, 6:18 am
I think that the modern United States, far from being founded on 'capitalist values,' isn't free. Furthermore, I think the name of this thread is misplaced(no offense to the OP). Assuming that freedom is an illusion(which it is IMHO), we can't truly kill in the name of freedom. You can't kill for something that doesn't exist.
I believe that our founding fathers would be appalled by modern America: drone wars, supporting military coups, (alleged) buying of elections by wealthy corporations or individuals, and dare I say it, invading other nations for our own national gain, etc.
That's not democracy. Far from it. we've limited ourselves to a policy of 'democracy once every four years.' Even then, only two parties can ever really win, with all other parties only gaining table scraps.
A certain long-dead Russian radical said it best when he claimed that democracy in American and Europe was democracy only for the rich, for the exploiters. We've sadly found that out a hundred or so years later, through Occupy Wall Street. If you raise a true voice against the system and all of it's glaring inequalities, you get crushed.
Freedom only for the exploiters. Enough said.
27 Aug 2012, 2:01 am
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