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06 Oct 2012, 10:48 am

Would a degree of westernization, or as I prefer to view it export of values be a bad thing?



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06 Oct 2012, 11:36 am

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Globalization is Western propanganda that all should honor the greatness of multinational corporations and bow to their wishes.



Indeed, and that dates more to the Neoliberal Era in particular the second decade of that era (1990s)... it was then when it became a buzzword.



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06 Oct 2012, 11:45 am

Globalization is also islamization.



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07 Oct 2012, 1:15 am

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Globalization is also islamization.


It seems like America, China, the EU and Islam are all vying for their ideology to dominate the future world state, doesn't it?



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07 Oct 2012, 1:43 am

donnie_darko wrote:
YourMajesty wrote:
Globalization is also islamization.


It seems like America, China, the EU and Islam are all vying for their ideology to dominate the future world state, doesn't it?
QFT


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07 Oct 2012, 12:04 pm

YourMajesty wrote:
Globalization is also islamization.


Globalization is when Your Gang or Tribe tries to impose its will on the entire world.

What was it that the Nazis used to say? Heute Deutschland. Morgen dem Weldt. Today Germany, tomorrow the world.

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09 Oct 2012, 9:43 am

Where is ET when we need him ?



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09 Oct 2012, 11:09 am

AspieOtaku wrote:
donnie_darko wrote:
YourMajesty wrote:
Globalization is also islamization.


It seems like America, China, the EU and Islam are all vying for their ideology to dominate the future world state, doesn't it?
QFT


Luckily a combo of America and the EU > authoritarians.



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09 Oct 2012, 11:25 am

America and the EU are authoritarians.



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09 Oct 2012, 6:53 pm

The idea that globalization=westernization is fundamentally flawed because it assumes suits and skyscrapers are western culture.

Are they?

Skyscrapers are built because they are efficient for business. Suits are worn because they are a status symbol. What happened to the architectural styles developed in greece and rome? The intricate patterns developed by the celts? The decorative styles of victorian USA? The various artistic styles of the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s? All gone. None of these cultural symbols have any place in a society to afraid of being "weird" that it has allowed itself to become boring. An American who wears a cowboy hat and duster is in just as much danger of being labeled a backwards barbarian as a Japanese immigrant who wears a kimono. Probably more, actually.

The real problem is a conformist mentality that spreads from nation to nation like a pox.

We were not the instigators.

We were the first victims.



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28 Nov 2012, 3:47 am

Oldout wrote:
Globalization is Western propanganda that all should honor the greatness of multinational corporations and bow to their wishes.


I know ... I'm bumping an old thread again but I think that there is one question that must be asked if economic debates go any further.

Does capitalism really become less brutal if capitalist countries cannot trade with each other?


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28 Nov 2012, 11:28 am

Oldout wrote:
Globalization is Western propanganda that all should honor the greatness of multinational corporations and bow to their wishes.


Corporate dominance in commerce is NOT propaganda. It is is real as rain. And there is a good reason for it. The corporations offer economies of scale that smaller firms cannot.

When Rockerfeller achieved dominance of oil production in the U.S. the price of kerosine (at that time the most in demand distillate) went down by 90 percent. And for good reason. The low price lead to large scale purchase which produced mammoth profits for Standard Oil. Big Bad Capitalist. That S.O.B. made kerosine affordable to even the poor peasants.

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28 Nov 2012, 11:46 am

ruveyn wrote:
Oldout wrote:
Globalization is Western propanganda that all should honor the greatness of multinational corporations and bow to their wishes.


Corporate dominance in commerce is NOT propaganda. It is is real as rain. And there is a good reason for it. The corporations offer economies of scale that smaller firms cannot.

When Rockerfeller achieved dominance of oil production in the U.S. the price of kerosine (at that time the most in demand distillate) went down by 90 percent. And for good reason. The low price lead to large scale purchase which produced mammoth profits for Standard Oil. Big Bad Capitalist. That S.O.B. made kerosine affordable to even the poor peasants.

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Wouldn't that cause more enviornmental damage from the negative externalities of the kerosine?



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28 Nov 2012, 11:53 am

ianorlin wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Oldout wrote:
Globalization is Western propanganda that all should honor the greatness of multinational corporations and bow to their wishes.


Corporate dominance in commerce is NOT propaganda. It is is real as rain. And there is a good reason for it. The corporations offer economies of scale that smaller firms cannot.

When Rockerfeller achieved dominance of oil production in the U.S. the price of kerosine (at that time the most in demand distillate) went down by 90 percent. And for good reason. The low price lead to large scale purchase which produced mammoth profits for Standard Oil. Big Bad Capitalist. That S.O.B. made kerosine affordable to even the poor peasants.

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Wouldn't that cause more enviornmental damage from the negative externalities of the kerosine?


At that time, no one was worrying about the environment.

There were capitalists the were offering electric cars (late 19 th century, early 20 th century) but they were outcompeted by the capitalists who made petrol powered cars.

However to return to the point, the corporate dominance of certain industries actually led to a reduction in prices (due to a reduction in the cost of extraction or manufacture) and a consequential increase in the number of people who could afford to pay. Back in the 30's and 40's A & P worked on the principle of volume. The eliminated the middleman and priced one or two percent over cost to produce a mammoth volume of purchases. By the way, the compaints against A & P were almost verbetim the same as the complaints against Wal-Mart. There was pissing and moaning about the demise of Ma and Pa grocery stores that could not match A & P prices.

Corporations dominate the production and distribution of food. The U.S has a problem with obesity and Americans pay the lowest percentage of any nation for their food. Medical care may come dear, but food in the U.S. is as cheap as borscht.

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28 Nov 2012, 2:13 pm

Here's the main reason I bumped this thread: I'm sick of the argument that says "Children in poor countries make stuff in sweatshops for American companies so globalization must be bad."

Sweatshops are an unavoidable part of capitalism. If they weren't in the third world then they would be in America and England. Isn't that what happened in Victorian England? You can't get rid of the have-nots by moving them.

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28 Nov 2012, 4:15 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Here's the main reason I bumped this thread: I'm sick of the argument that says "Children in poor countries make stuff in sweatshops for American companies so globalization must be bad."

Sweatshops are an unavoidable part of capitalism. If they weren't in the third world then they would be in America and England. Isn't that what happened in Victorian England? You can't get rid of the have-nots by moving them.

"The crucial thing for most of the left now, is what goes under the name of "anti-globalization". A sort of primitive, I would say non-Marxist form of anti-capitalism."
- Christopher Hitchens


Sweatshops were mostly abolished in the U.S. by 1930. States passed health and safety laws so there would not be another Triangle Shirt Factory holocaust.

By then most states had child labor laws restricting the condition under which a person 14 years old or less could be employed.

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