US Officials Knew Libya attack was work of Al Qaeda 24 hrs..

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And you say I'm biased.... Dude, it's pretty safe to say I'm probably more objective than you are.

Bill Clinton is a politician, and an expert at not telling the truth when he thinks it won't benefit him.

What good would it do Clinton to be so contradictory? On top of that, his political career is over with.
And no, you're not being more objective than I am. Using facetious sources such as Fox is hardly being objective.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Maybe you should read The Amateur sometime, you would partially understand Clinton's motivations then.

Another motivation as to why Clinton would be upset is his wife being thrown under the Obama bus concerning Benghazi.

Again, the President had taken responsibility as Commander-in-Chief.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Only after Hillary Clinton took responsibility and said the buck stops with her.

The US never should have gotten involved in Libya in the first place.

But don't you see that you are relying on hindsight?

You claim that the ambassador's life was in danger. How was that known prior to the event? What was the information that was on the desk in front of the President at the time that he overruled his Secretary of State?

Unless you can answer that question, you are in no position to assess whether or not the decision taken was right in the circumstances.

Public officials make mistakes. No official is perfect, and no one can have a perfect record of correct decisions. We should not criticize officials who make mistakes--we should only criticize officials for mistakes that could have been seen to be mistaken at the time.

Make that case, and I will be quite prepared to agree with you. But so long as you rely on the consequences as proof of your point, your argument remains flawed.

Multiple Terrorist attacks prior to 9/11/2012, including the same Consulate that was attacked on 9/11/2012 being bombed earlier in the year. Then we have the attempted assassination of the British Ambassador, the attack on the Red Cross, etc. I think I pointed this out earlier, which you apparently ignored.



Right back at you, considering it looks like I actually know more about this than you do.



You do realize the panic button was hit and that they were watching what was happening in Real time... Also there is the fact that as soon as the Consulate was under attack, the very fact the ambassador was there would have sent a priority signal to Washington that would bypass the e-mail mess.



In all honesty, I think if I found a video of Obama taking the notification and shredding it before going to bed, you still would be claiming that my argument is flawed. That's how "objective" I think you are.

I've already posted quite a bit that backs up what I'm saying, you just chose to ignore it.

She had wanted to fall on the sword for her President because the Republicans were turning a tragedy into political gain. I think her husband realized just how soulless on the part of the Republicans this was, and so I doubt he would ever have played along to court them.
After the 9/11 attack on Twin Towers, Democrats had come together with Republicans in support of President Bush, but you don't see that patriotic courtesy reciprocated by Republicans this time around.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

You found a video of the President shredding an intelligence document concerning the Benghazi attack?
Really? Really?
Are you sure it just wasn't a dramatic reenactment of how Republicans imagine things happened?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I was saying if I had, you and visagrunt would still be claiming that Republicans were trying to politicize it. I seriously believe that you and visagrunt are that partisan.

This isn't a matter of hindsight because there was a very basic principle that wasn't practiced in fact those that defied orders followed in defiance of said orders.

"You don't leave people behind."

The White House ordered the people at the Annex to sit on their hands and refused to send in backup, not simply once, not simply twice, but 3 times over the course of several hours.

You want to know how long it would have taken to get air support in the area?

1 to 2 hours tops.

This isn't a hindsight argument, this is the Ambassador and his protectors were simply left there to die.

Why would they have been left purposely to die?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

A sitting president regardless of party is responsible for EVERYTHING that occurs on his/her watch. If Lord Obama did not know that the Libya attack was an al Queda operation, he should have. He is briefed every morning on security issues. No excuses should be permitted or accepted.

ruveyn

He did take responsibility, though.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Actually he didn't take responsibility for anything until Hillary threw herself on the sword and upstaged him by essentially implying she was running everything, or did you miss her quoting President Truman.

Kraichgauer there are only two scenarios, either this White House is the most completely and utterly incompetitent in American History, or they considered winning a re-election to be more important that national security and the safety of our Ambassador.

Despite what you and visagrunt would like to believe, there are really no other alternative possibilities.

The fact there were two other attacks on the Consulate, plus attacks on the Red Cross, plus 2 attempted assassinations of the British Ambassador, makes this fairly obvious.

1. Does anyone really think the CIA is more incompetitent than the Keystone Cops...

2. It's fairly safe to say that our state department knew about all the prior attacks, it is also fairly safe to assume that they were in the intelligence briefs that the President was supposed to be reading.

3. There is now a report that Hillary Clinton ordered more security only for it to be countermanded. There is only 1 person that has that authority, President Barack Obama.

4. Our Ambassador was begging for more security, even on the day he died.

I'm going to be quite blunt, if this had happened under Bush, including the lies, etc. You and visagrunt would be going ballistic, which is how I can say the two of you are way more partisan than I am. 9/11/2001 happened when Bush had been President for less than a year, he didn't run around screaming it was some stupid video. He told the American people the truth.

The reason the mainstream media was skittish about bashing Bush for a while afterword is courtesy of either the New York Times or Time Magazine issuing an article praising a Domestic Terrorist that hit the shelves on 9/11/2001. It is glaringly obvious how the people of New York City reacted to it.

Getting back to my point, if this attack had also happened on Bush's watch, I would also be extremely angry as the facts are now coming out, just like I'm upset about Obama's behavior concerning this right now. However, the fact you and visagrunt are more intent on bashing Republicans and Fox News than over the fact we've all been lied to by the Obama Administration and most of the media; demonstrates that the two of you are way more partisan than I am.

The CIA and FBI had had intelligence that they had never shared with one another prior to the attack on the World Trade Center - so, yes, the CIA can be very incompetent. Plus, the Agency had even totally missed the impending fall of communism, till it happened. Then there was the Bay of Pigs debacle, where the CIA purposely lied to Kennedy, hoping he would be forced to send in American reinforcements to save the Exile army. So, yes, the CIA can be very incompetent.
And partisan, you my friend never, ever see any good in anything this President does. It's either he's too incompetent, or he has some sort of nefarious motives according to you. As a matter of fact, I had backed up Bush 100% after 9/11, because he was my President, and it was my place as an American to pull together with all my brother and sister Americans during a national tragedy - even though it was known how Clinton had left him a memo entitled, Bin Laden Determined To Attack America - which Bush ignored. Too bad Republicans won't pull together with Democrats during this national tragedy.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer