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08 Nov 2012, 7:28 pm

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I saw a video where some olive trees that were hundreds of years old had been butchered down by Israelis,the Palestinian people had been harvesting those olives for generations,they were "family" trees.How mean spirited.I don't understand how Israel can let settlers just go and take Palestinian land,I'm not that informed on the subject because it depresses me ,I can understand if I was Jewish wanting to live in the land of my ancestors,but it was the Palestinians also.I don't know why the U.S. sends all that aid to Israel,it does seem unfair.

That sort of thing is attypical of the Palestinian's treatment at the hands of the Israelis over the last 60 years. Then western hacks have the audacity to wonder why the Palestinians attack Israeli settlements.

The Israeli army also had a significant hand to play in the sabra and shatila massacre when Palestinian women and children were butchered by christian lebanese militiamen. The IDF blocked off escape routes to the town, making escape impossible.

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08 Nov 2012, 7:28 pm

As long as Iran has oil, they will be a target of the US.

Same with any middle eastern country, including the time bomb that is Saudi Arabia.

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08 Nov 2012, 7:37 pm

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As long as Iran has oil, they will be a target of the US.

Same with any middle eastern country, including the time bomb that is Saudi Arabia.

Precisely, Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe is also an awful dictatorship but i'm not seeing the US using either military force, or the threat of, to remedy the situation.

Maybe if someone in Zimbabwe finds oil or gas that will change.

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08 Nov 2012, 7:43 pm

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1. Because Israel is surrounded by countries (and potential countries) with explicit goals of exterminating Jews.

Lemme guess, you are basing this solely on the opinions of Mahmoud Ahmadinejhad?

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3. Because Israel is one of the very few civilized countries in that part of the world.

Would you prefer that the Jews of Israel (and the Druze and Bahá'í, BTW) were butchered instead?

What, you really think that is the point?

The point is that Israel was formed by the use of force, at the cost of an indigenous population. It was a horrible precedence on which to start a country in 1947 and it hasn't stopped being that way since.

It was never set up through 'civilized' means, so the point that it is a 'civilized' country is a misnomer. What sort of 'civilized' country uses fighter jets, battleships and tanks on civillian populaces?

The UK and the USA at their most craven, have barely attempted the s**t that Israel has.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_beach ... %282006%29

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 937048.stm

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08 Nov 2012, 7:51 pm

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Iran is a regime most concerned with self preservation, they would never attack Israel as that would assuredly mean their demise. Israel is fully capable of dealing with Iran militarily and have enough nuclear weapons to turn their whole country into a radioactive parking lot for the next millennium with in the blink of as eye.

Jacoby, it wouldn't take that many nuclear weapons to wipe Israel off the map, and the Iranian Government is made up of religious fanatics, the self preservation argument doesn't work when you have people that believe they are going to paradise because they killed infidels.

Heck they don't even have to use a missile, the could have terrorists try to smuggle it into Israel.

Hmm. Lets change the perspective.

The USA got tons of nuclear weapons, they can wipe our earth off the solar system.
If Romney had won, the USA government would have been formed by religious fanatics. They believe they are bringing democracy by killing people in foreign lands.
Heck they don't even have to use a missile, they could have terrorists try to smuggle it into Iran.

Lets get serious. Military intervention means killing people. And it does not matter from which country they are.
''We have to save people, thus we have to kill people.''
Ridiculous.

By the way, any news from the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

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08 Nov 2012, 7:56 pm

fighting for peace is like f***ing for virginity.

Of course no matter how much the right wingnuts and hacks convince themselves otherwise, that isn't their motive.

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08 Nov 2012, 7:59 pm

Expanding on my earlier statement regarding Saudi Arabia:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/

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08 Nov 2012, 8:07 pm

Okay. So you're saying the reason that we might go to war with Iran is oil? And the reason that we are not at war with Saudi Arabia is also oil?

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08 Nov 2012, 8:15 pm

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The point is that Israel was formed by the use of force, at the cost of an indigenous population. It was a horrible precedence on which to start a country in 1947 and it hasn't stopped being that way since.

I take it that the U.S., Australia, Argentina, Turkey, Haiti et al also should be considered in the same light?

The neighbouring Arab Muslim countries ganged up on Israel en masse in 1947 because it was a Jewish country. Having had most European Jews wiped out a few years before, the brave Israelis weren't going to let that happen again. And they won against all odds. If it was an Arab Muslim country, they wouldn't have gone near it.

Consider also the 800,000 Jews who fled, left, or were simply kicked out of their homelands in the 1947 and afterwards.

Funny, no-one says that these countries above don't have a right to exist.

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08 Nov 2012, 8:15 pm

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Okay. So you're saying the reason that we might go to war with Iran is oil? And the reason that we are not at war with Saudi Arabia is also oil?

The Oil Barons will get tired of peacefully dealing with Saudi Arabia soon enough and pay their puppets in Washington DC to go to war with the country.

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08 Nov 2012, 8:16 pm

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PM wrote:

As long as Iran has oil, they will be a target of the US.

Same with any middle eastern country, including the time bomb that is Saudi Arabia.

When Tibet asked the U.S.for help when China began to threaten them they got no response,there isn't any oil in Tibet,lots of Wisdom,but to most Americans that is a worthless commodity.Of course I can also understand why we would not want to confront China,we would need them to bail us out financially later on.In Tibet you can go to jail for having a picture of the Dalai Lama,the Chinese are moving Chinese people in so they can say"it's part of China,look Chinese are living here".The Lama I know has a school in Tibet,the Chinese have told the teachers that only the Chinnese language can be taught,no Tibetan.If the parents let the children speak their native tongue they will go to jail.It reminds me of the English trying to eradicate the Gaelic language.

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08 Nov 2012, 8:24 pm

PM wrote:

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Okay. So you're saying the reason that we might go to war with Iran is oil? And the reason that we are not at war with Saudi Arabia is also oil?

The Oil Barons will get tired of peacefully dealing with Saudi Arabia soon enough and pay their puppets in Washington DC to go to war with the country.

I doubt that because then we WILL be at war with the whole Muslim world more explicitly than we are now. Saudia Arabia has enormous influence by virtue of its holy sites. It would start WWIII.

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08 Nov 2012, 8:26 pm

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PM wrote:

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Okay. So you're saying the reason that we might go to war with Iran is oil? And the reason that we are not at war with Saudi Arabia is also oil?

The Oil Barons will get tired of peacefully dealing with Saudi Arabia soon enough and pay their puppets in Washington DC to go to war with the country.

I doubt that because then we WILL be at war with the whole Muslim world more explicitly than we are now. Saudia Arabia has enormous influence by virtue of its holy sites. It would start WWIII.

That is pretty much the future, WWIII will happen because of oil.

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08 Nov 2012, 8:35 pm

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Expanding on my earlier statement regarding Saudi Arabia:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/

In middle east Israel, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Qatar and Turkey are in alliance with the US. Actually, they are funding Syrian rebels to overthrow Al-Assad regime. So, fanaticism in those countries will never be discussed in the mass media throughly.

Saudi Arabia is a puppet state already. However, Iran and Syria are under the influence of Russia (puppets of Russia in other words). The US will surely try to overthrow governments in those countries.

This is all about fighting to acquire critical resources, ideologies are irrelevant. No one can blame the US, Russia, Syria, Iran or Israel. Or they should all be blamed.

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08 Nov 2012, 8:40 pm

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I doubt that because then we WILL be at war with the whole Muslim world more explicitly than we are now. Saudia Arabia has enormous influence by virtue of its holy sites.

The holy sites they're not destroying and turning into car parks you mean?

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08 Nov 2012, 8:53 pm

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I doubt that because then we WILL be at war with the whole Muslim world more explicitly than we are now. Saudia Arabia has enormous influence by virtue of its holy sites.

The holy sites they're not destroying and turning into car parks you mean?

None of them apart from Mecca and Median matter because that's what gets the pilgrims in.

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