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13 Nov 2012, 8:23 pm

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I should have qualified my statement by saying the modern southern black middle class.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Black folk were always free to head north and west. The door was and is open.

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It's not always that easy. Money is needed for gas alone, not to mention all the other expenses. And share croppers, being the American answer to serfs, found it extremely difficult to just tell their landlord they were packing up and leaving, particularly when they had a contract that kept them tied to the property. And even when they reached the north, they were hardly free from racism. They often were segregated by poverty and racism to urban slums, completely without the force of law. On top of that, in the 1920's, the KKK emerged in northern urban areas as well as the rural south.

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During the heyday of the American auto industry, many Black folk from the South came to Michigan and they got jobs there. Now how did this "poor Black folks" ever make it from Dixie to Michigan? Where there is a will there is a way.

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13 Nov 2012, 8:33 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
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I should have qualified my statement by saying the modern southern black middle class.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Black folk were always free to head north and west. The door was and is open.

ruveyn


It's not always that easy. Money is needed for gas alone, not to mention all the other expenses. And share croppers, being the American answer to serfs, found it extremely difficult to just tell their landlord they were packing up and leaving, particularly when they had a contract that kept them tied to the property. And even when they reached the north, they were hardly free from racism. They often were segregated by poverty and racism to urban slums, completely without the force of law. On top of that, in the 1920's, the KKK emerged in northern urban areas as well as the rural south.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


During the heyday of the American auto industry, many Black folk from the South came to Michigan and they got jobs there. Now how did this "poor Black folks" ever make it from Dixie to Michigan? Where there is a will there is a way.

ruveyn


True, but the fact remains, there was a reason why they all hadn't left.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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20 Nov 2012, 2:35 am

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One point that no one brings up here, and its to my surprise is that how much worse off would American disabled people have been under Romney? Including autistics?


The USA ranks among the lowest in services and support for mental disabilities among 1st world countries anyway.



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27 Nov 2012, 9:59 pm

This is a good time to stock up on Romney campaign merchandise

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/ro ... itics.html



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28 Nov 2012, 12:57 pm

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True, but the fact remains, there was a reason why they all hadn't left.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You expect a free society to produce 100 percent results? Tell me, are you as rigorous with your liberal buddies? Do you cut them slack? Only those on the right must answer for ALL their mistakes. Those on the left, well given them another chance.

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28 Nov 2012, 1:06 pm

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True, but the fact remains, there was a reason why they all hadn't left.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You expect a free society to produce 100 percent results? Tell me, are you as rigorous with your liberal buddies? Do you cut them slack? Only those on the right must answer for ALL their mistakes. Those on the left, well given them another chance.

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I'm more than a little lost concerning your latest response in our conversation about black people immigrating north, and those who stayed in the south. What does that have to do with letting my liberal friends off the hook?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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28 Nov 2012, 1:41 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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True, but the fact remains, there was a reason why they all hadn't left.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You expect a free society to produce 100 percent results? Tell me, are you as rigorous with your liberal buddies? Do you cut them slack? Only those on the right must answer for ALL their mistakes. Those on the left, well given them another chance.

ruveyn


I'm more than a little lost concerning your latest response in our conversation about black people immigrating north, and those who stayed in the south. What does that have to do with letting my liberal friends off the hook?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You were kind enough to remind me that not ALL black folks emigrated from the South to get jobs in Detroit. That means that our entire system is a total failure. Right? Any program that is not perfect is a failure, except of course liberal Democrat programs. Give'em another 4 years to prove themselves.

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28 Nov 2012, 2:25 pm

Meanwhile, Romney's campaign advisors brag about losing the votes of poor and non-White people to Obama

http://news.yahoo.com/top-romney-advise ... itics.html

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...On Nov. 6, Mitt Romney carried the majority of every economic group except those with less than $50,000 a year in household income," Stevens wrote. "That means he carried the majority of middle-class voters. While John McCain lost white voters under 30 by 10 points, Romney won those voters by seven points, a 17-point shift."

According to Stevens, "The Republican Party has problems, but as we go forward, let's remember that any party that captures the majority of the middle class must be doing something right." As a result, "Republican ideals -- Mitt Romney -- carried the day."....


They can put a positive spin on anything. :lol:



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28 Nov 2012, 2:54 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

True, but the fact remains, there was a reason why they all hadn't left.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You expect a free society to produce 100 percent results? Tell me, are you as rigorous with your liberal buddies? Do you cut them slack? Only those on the right must answer for ALL their mistakes. Those on the left, well given them another chance.

ruveyn


I'm more than a little lost concerning your latest response in our conversation about black people immigrating north, and those who stayed in the south. What does that have to do with letting my liberal friends off the hook?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You were kind enough to remind me that not ALL black folks emigrated from the South to get jobs in Detroit. That means that our entire system is a total failure. Right? Any program that is not perfect is a failure, except of course liberal Democrat programs. Give'em another 4 years to prove themselves.

ruveyn

ruveyn


I really don't recall making that point.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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28 Nov 2012, 4:12 pm

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I really don't recall making that point.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


"True, but the fact remains, there was a reason why they all hadn't left. "



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28 Nov 2012, 5:32 pm

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I really don't recall making that point.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


"True, but the fact remains, there was a reason why they all hadn't left. "


Excrement happens. No reason to fault them. Maybe they thought they could tough it out. And it has to be remembered, it's never easy to leave home, even if home is hell.

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28 Nov 2012, 5:39 pm

former slaves needed 40 acres and a mule to start their own business.



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28 Nov 2012, 6:29 pm

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former slaves needed 40 acres and a mule to start their own business.


In those days the U.S. was primarily and agricultural nation. What industry there was was concentrated mostly in the north and east.

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28 Nov 2012, 6:33 pm

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former slaves needed 40 acres and a mule to start their own business.

Too bad it never became official U.S. policy at the Federal level.

"40 Acres & a Mule" refers to the short-lived policy (~7 months), during the last stages of the American Civil War during 1865, of providing arable land to black former slaves who had become free as a result of the advance of the Union armies into the territory previously controlled by the Confederacy, particularly after Major General William Tecumseh Sherman's "March to the Sea." General Sherman's Special Field Orders, No. 15, issued on January 16, 1865, provided for the land, while some of its beneficiaries also received mules from the Army, for use in plowing.

After the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln, his successor, Andrew Johnson, revoked Sherman's Orders as one of the first acts of Reconstruction. President Andrew Johnson ordered all land under federal control to be returned to its previous owners in the summer of 1865. The Freedmen's Bureau, created to aid millions of former slaves in the postwar era, had to inform the freedmen and women that they could either sign labor contracts with planters or be evicted from the land they had occupied. Those who refused or resisted were eventually forced out by army troops. Because of this, the phrase "40 acres and a mule" has come to represent the failure of Reconstruction policies in restoring to African Americans the fruits of their labor.

A president can legally over-ride and negate any order given by a general under his command. Thus, the concept of "Reparations" is officially dead.



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28 Nov 2012, 6:36 pm

That is why the Jubilee laws prohibit land reform in walled cities.



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28 Nov 2012, 9:34 pm

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androbot2084 wrote:
former slaves needed 40 acres and a mule to start their own business.

Too bad it never became official U.S. policy at the Federal level.

"40 Acres & a Mule" refers to the short-lived policy (~7 months), during the last stages of the American Civil War during 1865, of providing arable land to black former slaves who had become free as a result of the advance of the Union armies into the territory previously controlled by the Confederacy, particularly after Major General William Tecumseh Sherman's "March to the Sea." General Sherman's Special Field Orders, No. 15, issued on January 16, 1865, provided for the land, while some of its beneficiaries also received mules from the Army, for use in plowing.

After the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln, his successor, Andrew Johnson, revoked Sherman's Orders as one of the first acts of Reconstruction. President Andrew Johnson ordered all land under federal control to be returned to its previous owners in the summer of 1865. The Freedmen's Bureau, created to aid millions of former slaves in the postwar era, had to inform the freedmen and women that they could either sign labor contracts with planters or be evicted from the land they had occupied. Those who refused or resisted were eventually forced out by army troops. Because of this, the phrase "40 acres and a mule" has come to represent the failure of Reconstruction policies in restoring to African Americans the fruits of their labor.

A president can legally over-ride and negate any order given by a general under his command. Thus, the concept of "Reparations" is officially dead.


That an alcoholic, racist prick like Johnson should follow Lincoln was indeed one of history's great tragedies - in particular for African Americans, and those whites in the Freedman's Bureau who had tried to help them.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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