Proof that conservatives are the dangerous and unhinged...

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While you are correct about some of what you said, some of the "conspiracy theories" actually have evidence to support them. For instance, one can actually build a good case that would indicate that Obama is trying to undermine the 2nd Amendment.

Two exhibits off the top of my head: Fast & Furious (which started in 2009, and actually does look like the goal of the program was to create a crisis to put stricter gun control laws in place) and the UN Small Arms Treaty that Obama is supporting.

One can also back up the "Obama is a socialist" allegation and actually build a case using facts that back it up with facts.

The muslim theory as one could call it, is substancially weaker compared to the two I mentioned above, there are some things that would give it a possibility of validity, but I don't think there is enough there for me to necessarily believe it, but there is enough there to say it is plausible. If Obama is in fact a Muslim, then the Sharia Law advocacy would be a credible theory, however considering Obama's support for Homosexual marriage, I doubt he's a Sharia Law advocate at this time.

Finally the Kenyan garbage, Obama is of Kenyan decent through his biological father, that is fact. However, considering there was an announcement of his birth in a newspaper based in Hawaii, from that time period, the idea that he was born in Kenya is rather unlikely. Furthermore his mom was a US citizen in any case, which in my opinion renders this rather moot.

Most of the presidential assassinations in history is because the assassinated had made powerful enemies, guys powerful enough to take out the President and get everybody riled up over a patsy. The only possible exception I can think of is McKinley-the kingmakers did NOT want to see Teddy Roosevelt in the West Wing, the left didn't have the power to kill him, and Czolgosz was indeed bat s**t crazy, and no evidence has ever surfaced that somebody was pulling his strings. Lincoln was killed by a cabal of Southern sympathizers deep in his govt. Kennedy had so many enemies that it would be easier to list who DIDN'T want him dead. Reagan was likely targeted as a "warning": mess with us and we won't miss on the second round. Obama is a good little puppet, and he has massive security. Don't worry, he's untouchable.

The thing that worries me is some righties going on a federal employee killing spree, like in the underground novel Unintended Consequences. In that novel, the Evil Gubment takes the people's guns, so naturally assassination is called for, from President to the President's pilot. The good thing is, Obama may have been inspired by the radical left, but he can't do too much damage, that's what the Constitution is for. It acts as a brake on the politicians, so they can't do something really stupid, like their counterparts in Australia who took away ALL rights of the people to defend themselves after a shooting made headlines. Then they censored the internet. Obama can't wake up one morning and decide to be dictator, despite what the righties say, because the army wouldn't stand for it.

@ pezar

Actually, based on the recent acts of violence over the last 2 years, I would say that right wingers have a more legitimate cause of concern of radical leftists going on shooting sprees, than what you are suggesting right wingers may do.

I am personally scared s**tless over the notion that political extremists like Timothy MacVee having access to guns, because they have proven that they'll use them.
And yes, gun control laws do keep persons with criminal convictions from legally purchasing guns. And no, I'm not so naive as to believe that guns will be kept out of the hands of law breakers - just legally.
And as for a "golden age," I'm talking about either a return to the "good old days," when white men were king, wile blacks and women knew their place. Or ridiculous notions of Christ Millennial reign on earth, ushered in by more extreme believers, such as in Waco Texas - which is based on a wild misinterpretation of Revelations.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Kraichgauer, if these were people that were like MacVee, they wouldn't have filed a petition, they would have been calling for armed conflict or trying to blow something up already.



And I'm getting sick of bigotted statements by liberals that try to claim that Conservatives are all racist bigots.

For one thing, I never said the people like MacVee were the ones who signed the petition. Rather, I said guns should be kept out of their hands.
And another thing, I never once said all conservatives were racists and bigots. Rather, I was giving an example of crazy people on the political fringe who yearn for the so called "good old days." Guns shouldn't be in their hands, either.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Bill, would you give me some examples of gun regulations that will keep guns out of criminal hands while not restricting my ability to defend myself, my family, and my property? Nobody ever gives me a straight answer to this question.

Reread and say sorry.

JakobVirgil, I can tell when something is being implied, so how about you stop trying to behave like some sort of teacher claiming that I'm some sort of little kid, not only is it not going to work, it is rather annoying.

Reread and say sorry, or I'm telling a moderator.

So all gun regulations should be abolished? You need access to high-powered fully-automatic rifles, machine guns, hand-grenades, and rockets to defend your property from common criminals?

Seriously, if there ever where a reason to revolt against government tyranny gun laws would become irrelevant. The rule of law would become irrelevant. If you're an anti-government rebel you aren't going to be asking the government permission to purchase weapons. Large parts of the military itself would have to defect to even come close to standing a chance. That's where the real weapons would have to come from. That or black-market AK's from Mexico. You're not going to be able to defend yourself against government forces with weapons purchased at gun shops.

Seriously, grow up.

isn't that what a waiting period is for, in order to run a check on a gun purchaser?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Kraichgauer wrote:

Well then you’re living in fear over something you can’t do anything about.
Besides, to you anyone who’s not a dyed in the wool liberal is a right wing “extremist”


Funny how they end up with all the guns they want anyway isn’t it…..
Not to mention the places where gun laws are the most restrictive are typically awash in illegal guns except, of course, for those that need them for protection.


WTF good do laws do if in practice they don’t work?
Apparently you are naïve but that’s no surprise.



I guess coming from you I should consider this a compliment.
Aside from that I can’t help but notice that you automatically assume that all conservatives are racist and religious fanatics.
The Waco thing was in 1993. Time to get over it wouldn’t ya say?


The waiting period is a “cooling off” period and it’s BS. The background check (NICS) is done at the time of purchase.
Helps to know just a little about the laws you love so much….

PS: Go back and look at some of the gunz-r-bad threads from last summer and take to heart the shreddings we gave them before you continue on.

No, I don't consider everyone who isn't a liberal to be a terrorist; far from it. And I was only using Waco as an example. There are still plenty of people who think they'll have to fight evil in order to make Christ come back. And the fact of the matter is, those "evil" people they plan to fight are me and my family.
And I will never take to heart shreddings from anyone.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

That is not how I am acting please say sorry to me as well.
Please try to argue with what people actually say rather than what you think they are saying.