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No it doesn't. It means you're putting meaning there when people just simply haven't replied.

still waiting.

Fine.



The label of terrorism/terrorist is (mostly) a legal construct, and thus not very useful as a descriptive tool.

What matters is what people fight "for" and "why" they fight. The rest is just semantics for the courtroom...

The "why" of Hamas is (by their own accord) that they want to kill Jews.

On a side note, "why" did the IRA kill Mountbatten (alongside an elderly lady and two teenagers)?

You could say the same about Bloody Friday, or the Poppy Day massacre, or La Mon, or...

Thank goodness some people took up for the lady in the bakery,I would have bought her the strudel and never came back.
Rich white women are putting tracking devices on their hubby's Benz or Beamer.
And Tequila,being English shouldn't your nic-name be,umm Gin?
And AspieRogue,just let some man TRY to put a tracking device on me,just try........

Then by your own admission, the term 'terrorist' is completely arbitrary and wholly irrelevant.

So why bother to use it at all?

The view and ambitions of hamas in the practical context are essentially irrelevant. They have not the means to kill all the Jews nor the might to overcome the Israeli military. Moreover the position of most Israeli supporters here seems to be of one that Israel is infallible. Even if Hamas were not in power, the Palestinians could not do right for doing wrong.

The elderly lady and 2 teenagers I do not know about.

The IRA classically applied a Marxist rationale to their actions, making members of the British aristocracy legitimate targets.

or bloody sunday, or the greysteel massacre, or the loughinisland massacre...

So the Israelis shouldn't take a genocidal organisation seriously and aim to thwart them (and their associated supporters - not only in Hamas, but in Islamic Jihad and other groups) at every turn? Would you like them to have a greater capacity?

Should people have ignored the Nazis in the early 1930s? After all, they weren't actually near power and weren't killing Jews yet...

Some more Hamas videos for you:

The day after Hamas agreed to a "ceasefire", this was broadcast on Al-Aqsa TV:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tg5DcKH7b0[/youtube]

Hamas spokesman says that they're not afraid of Israel because they love death:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocZKe0hmmBI[/youtube]

Fancy listening to the music of the resistance? "We kidnap soldiers and kill Jews"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKpzc-T7Wu4[/youtube]

Another music video from the Hamas Al-Qassam Brigades - "killing Jews is worship that draws us close to Allah":

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9jGsrQI5dw[/youtube]

Hamas openly showing how they fire rockets close to civilian homes on Gazan TV:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SciFayG9jak[/youtube]

And more chilling threats to Israeli civilians and soldiers on Gazan TV - "we love death more than you love life", "we may get you in your sleep", "if your eyes look (at us), they will be gouged out", "come forward, brave one, so that you can be killed":

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0jxAAW8R5A[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAOzy2zwyxo[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkuw-vwODRk[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhiQbCEYa5k[/youtube]

It doesn't get any more clear than this.

Any terrorist organisation should be taken seriously, especially if it's killed people and continues to try to kill civilians - not just Israeli civilians, but Palestinian men, women and children; you know, the ones that are murdered by Hamas for speaking out, or the children injured and butchered by Hamas bombs that fall short - day in and day out whilst they pursue a fascist religious war against the world's Jews. Just because they don't have the means to kill all Jews doesn't mean they shouldn't be stamped on and nipped in the bud.

It's the difference between those who value human life and civilisation and those who love hatred, backwardness, death, brutality, fanaticism.



Israel is not infallible - far from it. It certainly has issues of its own that it needs to deal with, and their government certainly has made mistakes in the past. It doesn't represent the country's minorities well enough (although it does, which is a damn sight better than most Arab countries, who persecute theirs). Have a look at Israeli media sometime - there's plenty of criticism there of the Israeli government. Indeed, it seems that the Israelis are that politically vocal, they cannot shut up. Everyone seems to have an opinion in Israel, and everyone seems to defend it with great vigour and eloquence. Haaretz is a relentless critic of the Israeli government and pretty much everything it does, and it has an audience in Israel.

Meanwhile, actual real-life Palestinians on talk shows who raise dissent about the shit-awful, corrupt, murderous, hateful governance of their leaders, and who genuinely want to live normal lives where they can have good jobs, good infrastructure, and a local area that they can be proud of are shouted down and told that all their woes are the fault of the Jews.

Don't believe me?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX1zBAIA3bQ[/youtube]



They could try calling off their war of hate against Israel and sign up to a genuine, lasting peace with their own state, just like they have rejected all along since 1948. They won't do that though, because Palestinians still have this delusion that they can achieve "victory" over the Zionists any day now. It's causing them needless, pointless, avoidable suffering that their people don't need and would be much better off without.

A Palestinian state sounds good to me if they can learn to live with their neighbours. The entire Arab world needs to become almost unrecognisably different from what it is now for this to happen though.

If you poke a hornets nest it usually results in pissed off hornets.