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30 Nov 2012, 6:08 pm

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Right. Thats why real atheists only exist in mental institutions. Somebody who convinces themselves that God does not and can not exist have some serious psychological issues.


Rubbish. It seems much more reasonable to say that people who believe in flying pink elephants or gods are the ones who belong in mental institutions; since there is no evidence for their existence. At least atheists are grounded in reality.


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30 Nov 2012, 6:14 pm

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Right. Thats why real atheists only exist in mental institutions. Somebody who convinces themselves that God does not and can not exist have some serious psychological issues.


Hogwash. There is not an ioto, a crumb, a speck of empirical evidence for the existence of supernatural Creator person. It is all wishful thinking. Sane people are guided by palpable fact, not fairy tales and fond hopes. I suspect that the God of the Abrahamic peoples were a group of extra terrestrial visitors who got involved with earthlings and violated the Prime Directive.

If God exists then It is in the -natural- order.

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30 Nov 2012, 6:19 pm

The proof of God may be found in the bathroom mirror..for them who might want to take a peek.. We are made in His image. The tip of our little finger is far more complex than the Universe. It gives me goose bumps and makes me happy to dwell on it. Yall tell us how God was mean to you. What are we mad about?



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30 Nov 2012, 6:25 pm

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The proof of God may be found in the bathroom mirror..for them who might want to take a peek.. We are made in His image. The tip of our little finger is far more complex than the Universe. It gives me goose bumps and makes me happy to dwell on it. Yall tell us how God was mean to you. What are we mad about?


Again... more rubbish. However, if you are happy with your fairy tales, good for you.


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30 Nov 2012, 6:28 pm

Something we've all overlooked.... we might be missing a critical fact here. Per Maxi Jazz of Faithless God is a dj. Does Santa ever get himself on the wheels of steel?



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30 Nov 2012, 6:30 pm

I know it takes Minnie Pearl to sing a good truck driving song.



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30 Nov 2012, 8:44 pm

I guess, though there are usually no fun presents


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30 Nov 2012, 9:05 pm

Ok I am smelling funny odors here. All presents are fun..Whatchou talking about Sir? lol. I know this is a trick rhetorical statement here. I always fall for stuff like that..kick kick.



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01 Dec 2012, 5:36 pm

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Ok I am smelling funny odors here. All presents are fun..Whatchou talking about Sir? lol. I know this is a trick rhetorical statement here. I always fall for stuff like that..kick kick.


Say this again after you open up your third pack of underwear on Christmas.

Additionally, wow. Atheists belong in mental hospitals? This is a serious freakin' leap. Care to expand on that reasoning there, friend? I'd love to know how it is that my lack of belief in one of many supreme deities (after all, I don't believe in Odin, Zeus, Amaterasu, Quetzocoatl or Amun-Ra) qualifies me as being incapable of functioning in society.

Go on.

I'll wait.


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01 Dec 2012, 5:47 pm

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bigwheel wrote:
Ok I am smelling funny odors here. All presents are fun..Whatchou talking about Sir? lol. I know this is a trick rhetorical statement here. I always fall for stuff like that..kick kick.


Say this again after you open up your third pack of underwear on Christmas.

Additionally, wow. Atheists belong in mental hospitals? This is a serious freakin' leap. Care to expand on that reasoning there, friend? I'd love to know how it is that my lack of belief in one of many supreme deities (after all, I don't believe in Odin, Zeus, Amaterasu, Quetzocoatl or Amun-Ra) qualifies me as being incapable of functioning in society.

Go on.

I'll wait.


He won't be replying. After making a nuisance of himself in other forums hijacking threads trying to proselytise members and refusing to stop, he has been banned.


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01 Dec 2012, 10:46 pm

"He see's you when your sleeping, he knows when your awake...."

That implies that Santa Clause is a clandestine CIA operative.

"Hogwash. There is not an ioto, a crumb, a speck of empirical evidence for the existence of supernatural Creator person. It is all wishful thinking. Sane people are guided by palpable fact, not fairy tales and fond hopes. I suspect that the God of the Abrahamic peoples were a group of extra terrestrial visitors who got involved with earthlings and violated the Prime Directive."

Are you implying the insane people are not guided by empirical fact and data?
I feel that even if there was a "God" that our human minds in their infinite wisdom would not be able to understand it in the first place. We simply don't have the mental capacity that large. If there was a "Creator" the "Creator" would be smart enough to create beings that would not have the capacity to understand the "Creator" Because if we could understand the "creator" there would be no need of one.

My views on Atheism are this; Atheism leaves a lot of unanswered questions and does not provide in my experience a solid moral framework. An atheist values are guided by his/her own views. Not bashing Atheist at all, in fact, I have yet to really truly discover myself.

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02 Dec 2012, 1:39 am

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My views on Atheism are this; Atheism leaves a lot of unanswered questions and does not provide in my experience a solid moral framework. An atheist values are guided by his/her own views. Not bashing Atheist at all, in fact, I have yet to really truly discover myself.

Best Regards,

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Well of course atheism leaves a lot of unanswered questions. It's a negative stance; a lack of something. Atheism isn't trying to answer any questions, it's just a statement that you don't believe in any figures that could commonly be called deities. It doesn't define why you don't believe in them, your stance on other paranormal creatures or events, your ideals, your viewpoints, your politics or even your day-to-day life. I mean, if I tell you that I don't collect Pokemon cards, can you assume anything about my relationship with those cards aside from a lack of collecting them? After all, maybe I'd like to collect them but I'm too poor. Maybe I own a few but don't buy more. Maybe I'm a former collector who's stopped. Maybe I hate Pokemon cards. There's no further inference that can be made without more data.

Atheism is like that. It's a really broad term that covers everything from strict empiricists to Zen Buddhism.


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02 Dec 2012, 8:23 am

No, because it hasn't stopped adults from misbehaving.


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02 Dec 2012, 9:56 am

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I've always thought it was cruel to teach kids to believe in Santa. The inevitable dissapointment that comes with knowing the truth is always crushing.

Do you remember the first Christmas you had when you knew Santa didn't exist? Wasn't it the most awful feeling?


Yeah, and most of my teenage and adult years have been one big "santa doesn't exist" feeling because I keep finding out how everything's fake and full of s**t.



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02 Dec 2012, 12:09 pm

Lord_Gareth wrote:
NAKnight wrote:
My views on Atheism are this; Atheism leaves a lot of unanswered questions and does not provide in my experience a solid moral framework. An atheist values are guided by his/her own views. Not bashing Atheist at all, in fact, I have yet to really truly discover myself.

Best Regards,

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Well of course atheism leaves a lot of unanswered questions. It's a negative stance; a lack of something. Atheism isn't trying to answer any questions, it's just a statement that you don't believe in any figures that could commonly be called deities. It doesn't define why you don't believe in them, your stance on other paranormal creatures or events, your ideals, your viewpoints, your politics or even your day-to-day life. I mean, if I tell you that I don't collect Pokemon cards, can you assume anything about my relationship with those cards aside from a lack of collecting them? After all, maybe I'd like to collect them but I'm too poor. Maybe I own a few but don't buy more. Maybe I'm a former collector who's stopped. Maybe I hate Pokemon cards. There's no further inference that can be made without more data.

Atheism is like that. It's a really broad term that covers everything from strict empiricists to Zen Buddhism.



I have always considered Atheism as a value system because in my opinion; Someone who calls themselves an Atheist by definition must have the values of an Atheist, not just the title. What exactly does Atheism provide as far as a moral framework for someone? What values does an Atheist employ? Can I call myself an Atheist simply because I don't go to a monotheistic church or is it much more than that?

I'm open to any answers.


Best Regards,

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02 Dec 2012, 12:39 pm

NAKnight wrote:
I have always considered Atheism as a value system because in my opinion; Someone who calls themselves an Atheist by definition must have the values of an Atheist, not just the title. What exactly does Atheism provide as far as a moral framework for someone? What values does an Atheist employ? Can I call myself an Atheist simply because I don't go to a monotheistic church or is it much more than that?

I'm open to any answers.


Best Regards,

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No, it isn't a value system. As Lord_Gareth says, it simple means one who doesn't believe there is a god. That is all. It has no implications regarding an atheist's morality, politics or anything else.


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