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The Pharisees said the same thing about Jesus and his followers when they tried to preach the good news to the people. Jesus told his followers, "If the world hates YOU, YOU know that it has hated me before it hated YOU . . . The world has no reason to hate YOU, but it hates me, because I bear witness concerning it that its works are wicked." (John 15:18, 7:7)

Ouch.

I personally do not have any grief with the Jehovah's Witnesses.
I can say that your execution may need work.

My only real stipulation is the fundamental belief that because you are a Jehovah's Witness, you are the only one going to Heaven and everyone else burns, regardless of their religion. I would like to hear your side of the story if you claim you are one.

I will say this since you quote the Bible.



So it is fair to say, that how you arrive is up to you right? As long you come through Jesus you are alright? Am I missing something?

Best Regards,

Jake

And I'm free not to ignore it, as you've publicly posted your Anti-Christmas agenda year after year. I have the freedom to disagree with you.
And yes, I say "we." Most of us will celebrate Christmas, even if it turns out Wodan dressed as Santa wore the entrails of disemboweled babies while flying through the night sky!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

So the next time you see my Christmas posts feel free to ignore them. I won't stop spreading the truth about Christmas because you vehemently disagree. In fact for the sake of your holiday fun its probably best for you not to read anything I write.

I never said you couldn't spread your Anti-Christmas message; I just reserve the right to disagree with you.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

And what I write clearly upsets you and many. So the best course is to not read my posts.

Unless the mods come up with some obscure rule that states only pro-Christmas posts are permitted on PPR I'm not going to stop spreading the truth about Christmas. You can disagree with me all you want but facts are facts. You claim to be Christian and yet you knowingly celebrate a pagan holiday. Apostle Paul stated, "YOU cannot be drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons; YOU cannot be partaking of “the table of Jehovah” and the table of demons." (1 Corinthians 10:21) This is like someone handing you a pure, clean glass of water, placing several drops of black dye in it, and then still calling it pure and clean. Christmas is a tainted celebration. You fail to understand or even grasp the concept...

Paul also said a true believer could eat the meat from animal sacrifices. The point is, a believer is not bound by legalisms as long as Christ is his/her focus.
And the fact that you seem to fail to grasp is none of us are taking part in pagan worship. We are celebrating Christ's birth, not Wodan flying overhead to bless and curse the Germanic tribesmen below.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Because Jewish Christians who used to live under the Mosaic Law were forbidden to eat food the law regarded as off-limits or unclean. Jesus' death acted as the ultimate sacrifice and was greater in scope than any animal sacrifices. That's why Paul states "For Christ is the end of the [Mosaic] Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness." (Romans 10:4) Basically after 1,600 years the Mosaic Law served its purpose and Jewish Christians could have their sins forgiven under Jesus' ransom sacrifice. The unclean and restricted food they used to not be allowed to eat simply became food. This is a MUCH different situation than a holiday celebration with pagan origins. As a Christian I would think you should know this...



No where in the bible did Jesus ever tell his followers to celebrate his birth. Jehovah God made sure his birth date was never mentioned in his word the bible. Jesus' date of birth isn't important. Also Jesus never told his followers to celebrate his resurrection (what you would call Easter). What he did tell his followers to do was to commemorate his death and he made it a command. "Keep doing this in remembrance of me." (Luke 22:14-20) The apostle Paul kept Jesus' command to memorialize his death. (1 Corinthians 11:23-26) And since this command was instituted during the annual passover the memorial of Christ's death was to be observed annually.

The churches do everything wrong. They celebrate his birth (Jesus and the apostles never said to do this). They celebrate his resurrection (Jesus and the apostles never said to do this). The one thing they do somewhat right, namely the memorial of Jesus' death, they do this every week instead of annually.

Christmas, or Christ Mass, is never once mentioned in the bible in any form or fashion. This is a man-made celebration that has absolutely no bearing on Jesus' life or his ministry. You claim "I am not celebrating a pagan holiday" and yet you forget that Christmas was created by the church Fathers in order to bring pagans into Christianity. How can you sit there and claim Christmas isn't pagan when it was made to attract pagans?

Paul was telling Christians their faith freed them from any danger of idol worship. It was a release from legalism.
And I could care less if Christ never commanded us to observe Christmas or Easter. If something is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it's a good guess there's nothing wrong with it. To say otehrwise is nitpicking legalism, something which Christ opposed.
Regarding Christmas as just a means to bring pagans into the church - how many souls were brought to Christ because of Christmas, who otherwise would not have?
As for communion or the Lord's Supper; Christ didn't say to observe this annually. He said "as oft as you meet."

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I remember as a former Christian I used to use a very similar argument against others including JWs.

Who decides that Christmas is tainted?

Who decides what's God's Word?

Who decides what constitutes evidence for God's Word?

Every group come up with its own set of answers, but who is right? Or why should any of them be right?

And why do you care that Christmas is tainted if you don't believe in Christmas anyway?

How is Christmas tainted if it's not, according to you, Christian?

Don't you think it's very arrogant to put people down for celebrating Christmas regardless of its origins?

Who are you to speak against paganism as something demonic anyway?

Methinks the prideful and judgemental should repent of that, and pray for their own jackassery to be revealed to them.

I like the sparklely lights on Christmas trees best.

sparkly ?

I, for one, think that Christmas could use more paganistic traditions. Shouldn't there be a point in which naked people circle around a fire? Wouldn't that make Christmas a ton more entertaining?

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