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26 Dec 2012, 6:23 pm

Dogs are living beings, guns are not. Guns are inanimate objects.



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26 Dec 2012, 7:15 pm

When people say 'Pit Bull', they're talking about a variety of different breeds that are unrelated to each other. The term 'Pit Bull' has started to become a catch all phrase for any dog with wide set eyes and short fur, which is every other mutt in existence. The vast majority of people can't tell you what a REAL purebred American Pit Bull Terrier looks like, how it's supposed to behave or what it was breed for (bear and bull baiting, FYI). Instead of learning the difference, the media perpetuated this idea that all these dogs are the same breed and that they're all dangerous, which is very false. They've also encouraged this idea that you can tell a dogs lineage by eyesight. One look at the 'List of Dog Breeds' wikipedia page (link), you can see how unwise that is. There's A LOT of dog breeds and a lot of them look very much a like.

It's befitting "Pit Bulls" are brought up because most cannot tell you the difference between a semi-automatic gun and a full-automatic gun. They can't tell you how to properly handle guns, what safety procedures to follow or their local gun regulations. Once again, instead of learning the difference, the media has perpetuated this idea that all guns are the same and all gun regulations are the same.

P.S. Ever since the ban on "Pit Bulls" in England, dog attacks have doubled. Thus proving it's not the dog, it's the idiot owner.



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27 Dec 2012, 8:52 am

Pileo wrote:
P.S. Ever since the ban on "Pit Bulls" in England, dog attacks have doubled. Thus proving it's not the dog, it's the idiot owner.

Source please?



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27 Dec 2012, 3:00 pm

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BBC: Dog bite hospital admissions increase. According to them, recorded bites are up 40% in the last 4 years. The ban on "Pit Bulls" was enacted in 1991.
ASPCA talks about 'Breed Specific Legislation' in general. "Although multiple communities have been studied where breed-specific legislation has been enacted, no convincing data indicates this strategy has succeeded anywhere to date."



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27 Dec 2012, 3:11 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
Dogs are reasonably sentient living beings, so should be allowed to live if at all possible (though I am in favour of not allowing pitbulls to reproduce). If a gun is destroyed, so what?


Well if pitbulls aren't ever allowed to reproduce they would die out, and I like them so I would find that sad its bad enough they are banned in the city I live near they are allowed on in the suburbs though. My sister has a Pit Bull and its anything but vicious shes afraid of cats and little kids. I don't think pit bulls are any more aggressive by nature than any other dog any dog will be agressive if it is raised to be or if its mistreated and abused that can happen.


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27 Dec 2012, 5:23 pm

Pileo wrote:
StopBSL.org
BBC: Dog bite hospital admissions increase. According to them, recorded bites are up 40% in the last 4 years. The ban on "Pit Bulls" was enacted in 1991.
ASPCA talks about 'Breed Specific Legislation' in general. "Although multiple communities have been studied where breed-specific legislation has been enacted, no convincing data indicates this strategy has succeeded anywhere to date."

Thank you.

There's a big difference between 40% and 100% though.

I would suggest that that does not prove it is the owner rather than the dog. Other factors, such as dog ownership, must be considered- if 0.1% of dogs are "bad eggs" then if the number of dogs goes up, you'd dog violence to go up by the same amount. More trivially, we don't know if theses bites are from police dogs (admittedly that is unlikely, but worth considering), whether people are more willing to go to hospital generally, or how serious these attacks are (maybe fatalities are down).



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27 Dec 2012, 5:45 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
The difference is that dogs are reasonably sentient living beings, so should be allowed to live if at all possible (though I am in favour of not allowing pitbulls to reproduce). If a gun is destroyed, so what?


A gun has more applicable uses than a dog although they both share the duty of home protection. If you can see why a ban on pits is unfair and bad then you should see how a ban guns is bans as well.