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17 Feb 2013, 11:19 pm

Telekon wrote:

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Based on his writing........I'd say he's just a whiny idiot.

I'd say he's tired of Western women using men as cash machines and ego enhancers

.....which roughly translates to, "Boo-hoo. Society owes me a hot girlfriend and a six-figure salary. I don't own a 65" TV and am therefore oppressed."

Over-fed, middle-class Americans with cushy lives and too much free time = Cult of Eternal Victimhood.

He says the exact opposite - he's not looking for a hot girlfriend, just a decent woman. He doesn't think society owes him anything.

No, he's just whining that he hasn't gotten what he wanted and that it must be the fault of "society" and "Western women."

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17 Feb 2013, 11:28 pm

Telekon wrote:

I have no experience with them on a romantic level, but Oriental women seem less combative than Western women.

I think that's a generalization - I've met some fairly feisty oriental women.

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17 Feb 2013, 11:54 pm

Ann2011 wrote:

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I have no experience with them on a romantic level, but Oriental women seem less combative than Western women.

I think that's a generalization - I've met some fairly feisty oriental women.

I'm thinking this entire thread is founded on generalizations.

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18 Feb 2013, 12:06 am

XFilesGeek wrote:

Telekon wrote:

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Based on his writing........I'd say he's just a whiny idiot.

I'd say he's tired of Western women using men as cash machines and ego enhancers

He says the exact opposite - he's not looking for a hot girlfriend, just a decent woman. He doesn't think society owes him anything.

No, he's just whining that he hasn't gotten what he wanted and that it must be the fault of "society" and "Western women."

You said that already. Can you show me where he accuses society of denying him a girlfriend? All you've produced is slander.

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18 Feb 2013, 12:18 am

Telekon wrote:

Can you show me where he accuses society of denying him a girlfriend?

"Greetings! Welcome to Happier Abroad.
Let me ask you an IMPORTANT QUESTION: Are you a male who is sick and tired of the following norms in America (or your country)?
The unattainability, unavailability or lack of women you desire, depriving you of quality female companionship."

I think in the above he is saying that the cultural norms of America are not compatible with the attainment of a girlfriend.

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18 Feb 2013, 12:25 am

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Can you show me where he accuses society of denying him a girlfriend?

He asks two questions. He doesn't blame society for his lack of success at landing a hot girlfriend, nor does he claim that society owes him one.

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18 Feb 2013, 12:38 am

Telekon wrote:

XFilesGeek wrote:

Telekon wrote:

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Telekon wrote:

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Based on his writing........I'd say he's just a whiny idiot.

I'd say he's tired of Western women using men as cash machines and ego enhancers

He says the exact opposite - he's not looking for a hot girlfriend, just a decent woman. He doesn't think society owes him anything.

No, he's just whining that he hasn't gotten what he wanted and that it must be the fault of "society" and "Western women."

You said that already. Can you show me where he accuses society of denying him a girlfriend? All you've produced is slander.

He doesn't blame "Western women" and "America society" for his lack of success with relationships?

Golly, let me re-quote Anne:

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Poor little victim.......all of those "social norms" preventing him from the "quality female companionship" he so richly deserves.

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He asks two questions. He doesn't blame society for his lack of success at landing a hot girlfriend, nor does he claim that society owes him one.

He asks if men are tired of the SOCIAL NORMS that are keeping them from getting a girlfriend.

That's blaming society.

It really doesn't get much clearer.

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18 Feb 2013, 1:00 am

XFilesGeek wrote:

He doesn't blame "Western women" and "America society" for his lack of success with relationships?

Not in the text below he doesn't.

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Poor little victim.......all of those "social norms" preventing him from the "quality female companionship" he so richly deserves. It seems pretty obvious to me, but, then again, I'm told I have a higher-than-average reading comprehension.

He's not referring to himself; he's speaking to other men who have problems (for whatever reason) obtaining a girlfriend. So no, he doesn't blame "Western women" and America society [sic[" for his lack of success with relationships. If your reading comprehension is above average, that only speaks to how low the average is.

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18 Feb 2013, 1:04 am

Telekon wrote:

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He doesn't blame "Western women" and "America society" for his lack of success with relationships?

Not in the text below he doesn't.

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To repeat, he asks men if they're tired of the SOCIAL NORMS that are keeping them from getting a girlfriend.

It really doesn't get much clearer than that unless you're just deliberately being obtuse.

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18 Feb 2013, 1:11 am

It really depends what "misogynist" means. I think maybe a different word is needed here. "Misogynist" literally means "someone who hates women". But actually, people like this don't necessarily hate women. But they have a habit of thinking of women as a category instead of a collection of individuals.

It's like the word "racist". For example, I used to know someone who was really weird around the topic of race, especially when it came to Asians. But if you accused him of being "racist", he would quite sensibly point out that he had an Asian girlfriend. But his relationship with his Asian girlfriend was kinda creepy, as if he actually thought of her as "my Asian girlfriend" instead of "my girlfriend".

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18 Feb 2013, 1:24 am

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To repeat, he asks men if they're tired of the SOCIAL NORMS that are keeping them from getting a girlfriend.

What are you repeating? Before you said he was blaming society for his lack of success at getting a hot girlfriend. He's not blaming anyone there. And he doesn't say social norms, he says norms. Please get a clue.

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It really doesn't get much clearer than that unless you're just deliberately being obtuse.

You misread your own quote and then made a self-aggrandizing comment about your reading comprehension.

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He doesn't blame "Western women" and "America society" for his lack of success with relationships?

No, not for his lack of success. Not even for other men's lack of success.

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18 Feb 2013, 1:37 am

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Before you said he was blaming society for his lack of success at getting a hot girlfriend.

And I still do.

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He's not blaming anyone there. And he doesn't say social norms, he says norms. Please get a clue.

What other "norms" would he be referring to?

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You misread your own quote and then made a self-aggrandizing comment about your reading comprehension.

And you're deliberately being obtuse.

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No, not for his lack of success. Not even for other men's lack of success.

I guess when he's talking about how Western media conditions women to have standards that are too high, and that women are inherently conformist, then there's no "blame" inherent in any of those statements?

Uh-huh. Sure.

"Men just want a decent feminine woman with good character and values that will be good to them. They don't need a super model or a high status woman. They couldn't care less about the standards of the fashion or advertising industry. But on the other hand, women generally DO CARE, unfortunately, because they are more conformist in nature and try to live up to the trends and standards of their culture. Thus, since the Western media presents overly high standards for men that few or no men can meet, women's expectations and standards for their "ideal man" have shot up through the roof, while men's standards for women remain relatively unaffected."

Nope. Nothing in there about Western society or Western women being at fault for men who fail at dating.

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18 Feb 2013, 1:54 am

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What other "norms" would he be referring to?

That it is normal for a class of American men to have certain kinds of experiences with women? It is a question anyway. As you said, he asks. He doesn't blame.

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You misread your own quote and then made a self-aggrandizing comment about your reading comprehension.

And you're deliberately being obtuse.

About what? You wrote

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He doesn't blame "Western women" and "America society" for his lack of success with relationships?

Then you wrote

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To repeat, he asks men if they're tired of the SOCIAL NORMS that are keeping them from getting a girlfriend.

It seems you answered your own question.

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No, not for his lack of success. Not even for other men's lack of success.

He is definitely blaming the media, but the media is part of society not society in toto. And if women are inherently conformist, that is not society's fault. Your reaction to this guy seems awfully knee-jerk.

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18 Feb 2013, 2:07 am

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That it is normal for a class of American men to have certain kinds of experiences with women?

Yes. Those would be SOCIAL NORMS.

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It is a question anyway. As you said, he asks. He doesn't blame.

He doesn't ask if the "norms" exist, he asks if men are tired of them. That assumes they exist in the first place and are at fault for the lack of dating success.

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It seems you answered your own question.

Yes, he does appear to blame social norms for men's lack of success with dating.

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He's blaming society ( "trends and standards of their culture"), which the media is part of, and he'd definitely blaming women.

Your defense of this guy seems pretty knee-jerk.

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18 Feb 2013, 8:11 am

Telekon wrote:

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Can you show me where he accuses society of denying him a girlfriend?

He asks two questions. He doesn't blame society for his lack of success at landing a hot girlfriend, nor does he claim that society owes him one.

Arguments can be presented in the form of questions. In the questions he sites "norms in America." Then he suggests that women in this country are unattainable, undesirable and unavailable. His use of the word "depriving" suggests that there is an entitlement that is not being fulfilled.

I think you're being obtuse too. But I wonder why. To me Wu is taking advantage of unhappy vulnerable men.

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18 Feb 2013, 8:43 am

I think "misogynist" is just pushing it. This word has no longer become meaningful much, it seems.

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