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24 Mar 2013, 3:50 pm

Are we talking about the Judeo-Christian "God"? I can't give any argument for him.
The Hindu conception of "God" however at least has philosophical merit, in the sense that science has been slowly proving that we create our reality; the essence of being a God, is it not?



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24 Mar 2013, 9:58 pm

it takes special people and special circumstances to see god.



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24 Mar 2013, 11:59 pm

trollcatman wrote:
All gods are hiding. That is what they do. Has anyone ever seen Odin or Vishnu?
At least there is evidence for Thor. He promised us he would wipe out the ice giants. I don't see any ice giants around these days.


Maybe the ice giants are hiding.

Besides, you also don't see any nephilim.



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25 Mar 2013, 4:19 am

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Maybe God just can't reveal himself to us.

God has personally revealed himself to people before. The oldest books have been written about it.
He even took physical birth. Buddha was said to be an actual earthly manifestation of God.
But its only a feather touch, just the basics.



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25 Mar 2013, 5:17 am

CaptainTrips222 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
d. We see Him all of the time, and we just don't realize it.


God is invisible?


Or the guy before the supermarket, who asks you for some cents. :)



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25 Mar 2013, 9:22 am

Because he doesnt like us!


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25 Mar 2013, 9:32 am

Declension wrote:
Maybe God just can't reveal himself to us. I know that God is supposed to be omnipotent, but even mainstream theologians accept that God's omnipotence doesn't mean that God can do everything. Some things are fundamentally impossible even for God, and so God just can't do them. Maybe affecting the physical world is one of those things.


Well, what does omnipotence mean then?



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25 Mar 2013, 10:22 am

Its funny when he can supossedly do anything but expects us to do stuff for him when he can do it himself!Warning the vid may have lotsa cursing in it![youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUmMuOJ9vNk[/youtube]


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25 Mar 2013, 12:29 pm

You know, if the Old Testament and the Torah are to be believed, there would seem to be a very good reason why God should hide from His creation.

Because in those old stories, every time God revealed Himself directly, His people started acting like idiots. Let's take Moses and the Commandments as an example: There the Hebrews were, having been guided by the pillar of smoke by day and fire by night for months, provided with food by a literal in-your-face miracle (manna springing up from the ground every morning - but don't complain about wanting some meat for a change, or He's gonna lay the smack down on you!), and when they reach this mountain, their leader is taken up into a perpetual cloud for a one-on-one with Him. Moses was gone for less than a week when the Hebrews decided, "You know what? To Sheol with this God we've been seeing every day, who's fed us and saved us from our pursuers - let's just melt down all our jewelry, make a cow out of it, and worship that!"

Or when God decreed that their government should be a fairly loose form, ruled over by judges who would treat everything coming before them like a legal case. And the Israelites patted His figurative hand and said, "You know, Lord, that's a really cute idea You had. But we don't want a judge - we want a king, just like all the neighbors!"

And the hits just keep on a-comin'... :)


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25 Mar 2013, 12:38 pm

Yeah, pretty much. Of course, that's a good argument for literally coming down and hanging with them. They REALLY needed a chaperone.



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25 Mar 2013, 12:48 pm

ruveyn wrote:
It just occurred to me. God is not hiding. Most of us are just blind.

I agree God is not hiding. He is keeping a rather low profile and not making his existance very obvious, and I think he has a very good reason for doing so.
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He even took physical birth.

Do you mean Jesus? If so he is not keeping that low a profile than, is he? though ,perhaps he is. There is no “Gospel According to Jesus”, He spoke to most people only in parables and would frequently request people that he healed not to tell anyone, though they usually ignored him so there was always a crowed around him looking for something. In the end, people were cutting palm branches and laying their clothes in the road as He was riding into Jerusalem, and a week later they were in the courtyard of the Praetorium shouting “crucify him”.

See what showing your power gets you?


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25 Mar 2013, 9:16 pm

cubedemon6073 wrote:
Well, what does omnipotence mean then?


"Omnipotence" means that you can do anything which is "logically possible". For example, God certainly can't create a blue non-blue object. So maybe God can't even impregnate a virgin. Maybe the laws of physics are just as strong as the laws of logic, and so God can't break them. But he can probably do all sorts of other stuff in the afterlife or whatever.



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25 Mar 2013, 10:08 pm

He's not hiding,got a Union job.Doesn't have to deal with our bs anymore :lol:


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25 Mar 2013, 11:06 pm

I don't believe God is hiding. Miracles are reported all the time. They are dismissed as hallucinations, coincidences, or hoaxes, and many of them probably are, but that doesn't mean they all are. I once heard that the medical community keeps a list of miraculous recoveries that defy the laws of physics, but since "medical miracle" is used to describe ANY against-the-odds recovery these days, searching for more info quickly proved an exercise in futility. :roll:

As for why the "light touch" approach, who can understand the mind of God? But if you want me to guess, I could think of several reasons:

1. Knowing for certain that God/heaven/hell exists would undermine our moral growth as a species. Not knowing if we'll be rewarded for doing the right thing is what makes it hard. And being hard is what gives it meaning.

2. He already has legions of angels who worship him because they know he exists.

3. If he DID appear, many, perhaps most humans would just right it off as a hallucination or whine to him, so why bother.

4. We are not worthy.



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25 Mar 2013, 11:07 pm

oops. Double-post.



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26 Mar 2013, 6:17 am

Because I flipped him off and he didnt like it!


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