Spanking - abuse or effective

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The thing here was you had to get your own switch.Peach tree whips I suppose are the preferred utensil.Kids had to pick out their own punishment.
But kids that have siblings are tougher,I've seen them hit each other with rocks!! !
And roll around on the ground fighting,like REALLY fighting!! !
I never saw anything like that,I was an only child.

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That sounds exactly like my family except I was the older brother.
We wanted to kill each other as kids.
We get along now but it's strained.
Oh well.............

I get along well with my older brother now. We both regret that our relationship went the way it did.

That's interesting because now my son and daughter are very close,they truly love each other and for that I am thankful.

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Did they fight a lot as kids, though?

^^^^^Oh God,you have no idea.And not fair either.They played like Attila the Hun did.I'm talking hoving rocks at each other.But gibbons exhibit the same behavior so I guess it toughened them up.
I take it you have no kids.Well mine were burning holes in beer cans with sparklers and sliding down these steep a** hills in the snow on an old vw hood and stealing vulture eggs.(that pissed me off).And jumping off bluffs into the creek and falling off bluffs which means you wind up at the ER.
The fighting was constant,they were mean as a bitin' sow.
Once we had to go to the ER over an accidental hatchet wound,not joking.

Gotta say, its hard for me to believe how normal you see spanking. But I think maybe its simply some kind of culture or mentality difference. Around where I live to spank a kid is like spitting on him. So its not about physical hurting him or to show that you are stronger or whatever, you simply show your kid that its a worthless, hopeless piece of s**t in your eyes. Its less about a physical punishment, but an emotional punishment.

The thing is I agree with you that a spanking doesnt hurt, if there are causes that you can understand. So I know that my mom loved me, but two times I have driven her so far that she gave me one clap to the face. I do know that she simply lost her nerves and I really was pushing on her. So no problem with that.

While my father beated me: "...because one of my football teammates told me he saw you climbing on a roof... (WTF? O_o)", because I stood in his way when he was angry about my sister coming home to late, because standing in his way when he couldnt find some photographs he searched for, because for "eating to loud on purpose" when he wanted to watch TV, because for stumbling over my feet and crashing into our living room glass door (Yep, for sure. I always try to crash through glass doors on purpose...I mean who wouldnt do that on purpose if he has to chance to do so.)", because of not propper accenting my language, because of daydreaming and not realizing and not greeting a neighbor I met on the street, because missing a train, because of wearing no house slippers (or simply standing in his way when he returned angry from work), because of not immediately realizing and understanding how the program worked he was interested in and had borrowed from a coworker of him....

So he simply was an complete, dumb idiot and a**hole. The thing that I simply cannot understand. If spanking is not forbidden in your country, how can children keep themselve safe from such idiot a**holes? So because of spanking is forbidden in my country I simply told my father, when I was old enough to accept that he is simply an dumb a**hole that has nothing more with me in common then half of my DNA, that if he ever beats me again he will go to jail and I meant it that way. And that I never will accept his beatings again, so anyway if he is stronger, I would defend myself and he would be forced to beat me in a way, that cant be hidden. But the thing is, if spanking is allowed in your country, what possibilities do your children have to defend themselves against such abusive a**holes? Do they have to endure to be a piece of s**t for the aggression of their parents until they are 18 or whow can they defend themself?