Does the Muslim LGBT movement have a future?

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I agree with you that they are muted. I'm glad they exist at all, though. It's a sign that humans will get there eventually, but I think with the case of Islam and LGBT rights, it's going to be a long, hard struggle.

Personally, I think this is going to take several centuries for them to finally get some kind of genuine freedom for gays, and to deal with the many cancerous attitudes in their society. The sooner the voice of the fundamentalist Muslim women that love their chains are overcome and are seen as a device that oppresses all Muslim women, the better.

I don't think our society is perfect. Very far from it. We have our own fight for our rights and freedoms too.

It's not just Africa. Queers often receive same or similar treatment in Latin America, and technically they do count as part of "the West" - not the Anglophone west maybe, but still the west.

The Wiki does not back you up, Kjas.

(See here.)

We're not talking about non-judicial/legal anti-gay sentiment. It is actually illegal to be sexually active with men in much of Christian Africa. This is not the case in Latin America.

I'm not disputing that hatred or antipathy towards gay people might well be rife in Latin America, and you'd know far more about that than The Most Reliable, Unmistaken, Unbiased and Correct Encyclopedia on the Entire Internet™.

It's only "legal" recently in many places - Brazilians were being jailed for it in the 60's and 70's, Cubans were still being jailed and deported in the 70's and 80's for it. And just because it is "legal" does not mean many of them lived in fear of their lives still all through the 90's. While Africa may be more behind on paper, and certainly recently Latin America has made steps forward in the last 10 years, on paper, and in the more liberal countries - to say it does not still happen and that the church is not responsible for the sentiment, especially in the very traditional and conservative countries and rural areas, would be very, very incorrect.

It was 1982 for Colombia, 1997 for Ecuador, and 1998 for Chile. It was 2008 for both Nicaragua and Panama - and I can tell you that attitudes in El Salvador, while being fine on paper since 1800's - have a massive problem with beating, torture, rape and murder of gays in the last 60 years. It's still Illegal in Belize - you only linked to south America, not central, which is much of the problem. It's only been recently introduced on paper in the Caribbean, and in quite a few countries is still illegal, in 9 in fact - and the Caribbean has had a very well known problem with gays for a very long time, it's quite well recorded.

While Africa is a massive problem - at least they are honest about their attitudes legally. I can't same the same for much of Latin America.
And I don't call 11 countries still making it illegal a small problem - especially considering just how recently some of the other countries have legalized it.
The test of a law operating is whether it is followed and respected by the population - and in much of Latin America, this is not the case.

Legal or not, it's still these people who pay the price on the ground, sometimes with their lives. And almost all of it is based on the massive Catholic influence in Latin America, so it is the Church that is responsible.

^ Would you say there's anything else in operation, other than the Church? I just struggle to understand why people hate queers so much.

Do you think they fear that they will rape them or something? Perhaps it's a fear of that.

From what Kjas told me some time ago, it's not just homosexual men they have a problem with, but anyone who doesn't even fit gender norms in Latin America. Even lesbians have a hard time in both Latin American and Africa, when they've been typically ignored in the West for most of history.

I guess I thought for a moment you were a Muslim and believed that the Koran was dictated by a god, so I was mistaken.

One of the very large contributors to it is machismo, which is rife through both Latin America, and in Africa in a slightly different form. Machismo is more or less based on 2 things: 1) not being anything like a woman and 2) not being anything like a homosexual - the less like the two and the stereotypical traits of those, the more "macho" one is considered to be - so it's basically one opposed at the core to both women, femininity, queers, and especially gay men. Between that of religion that the church supports, and the social and cultural aspect of machismo which is supported by the entire society via gender roles (which is why they are so important there), it can make for a very difficult situation, as both support and feed of each other in an endless cycle. While it's true that in most very major, large, metropolitan cities, now you are not likely to run into trouble because of it, even though that wouldn't have been the case 10 or 20 years ago (if you discount fights and they occasional shoot out which still happen), it's as soon as you step out of there, into towns especially to rural areas, where you start to see the full impact.

Homosexual men will of course pay the highest price because of the way that the system is set up, but anything else is still suspect too.
Being hit on by another man is a very deep seated fear most straight latino men I know have, many have openly threatened to harm or kill anyone who attempts to hit on them or touch them in the wrong places, and I have no doubt that many of them mean it. At some level, they probably do fear that - another man taking their power away like that.
And I should note that in many places, one is not considered "homosexual" unless they are the one being penetrated (strange but true, it's one of the fuzzy and grey lines there). Often the one penetrating can get away with denying it completely, with an excuse, especially if it was as a show of power, or at least get a lot more respect than the other in the same situation.