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17 May 2013, 11:02 pm

GnosisAndNihilism wrote:

When are they going to apologize for robbing hundreds of millions of people out of billions of dollars? A bunch of bandits in suits, eh.

When it's a legal taxation through representation, it doesn't qualify as theft.

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18 May 2013, 1:10 am

The Teabaggers deserve no apology.

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18 May 2013, 2:01 am

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The Teabaggers deserve no apology.

You're preaching to the choir.

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18 May 2013, 2:05 am

The IRS exposing itself as corrupt that it is thanks enough. How about we shut down the IRS? I don't think they'll be mourned by many.

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18 May 2013, 4:06 am

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The IRS exposing itself as corrupt that it is thanks enough. How about we shut down the IRS? I don't think they'll be mourned by many.

Who would realistically collect taxes in their place?
Sure, everyone hates the IRS, as they've over zealously hurt a lot of people. But they are a necessary evil. Better to try fixing the institution rather than unrealistically calling for the IRS to be shut down.

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18 May 2013, 6:43 am

The Original AP article wrote:

The Internal Revenue Service apologized Friday for what it acknowledged was "inappropriate" targeting of conservative political groups during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status.

Political groups aren't supposed to be tax-exempt.

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18 May 2013, 6:58 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

The IRS exposing itself as corrupt that it is thanks enough. How about we shut down the IRS? I don't think they'll be mourned by many.

Federal sales tax instead of income tax. You still pay but never file so there's very little for the IRS to go after.

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18 May 2013, 8:40 am

That will be a big shift in the burden. The 47-percenters who pay no income tax, but who spend most of their money, will be paying through the nose. People like Mitt Romney will pay considerably less.

Your new tax will discourage consumption, and our economy is largely dependent upon consumption. :shameonyou:

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18 May 2013, 8:55 am

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They won't have any fed tax taken out of their paychecks, though.
It will be damn near impossible to cheat or get audited.
They'll get used to the fed sales tax and see it as the trade-off of not having their weekly pay raped and it'll be business as usual.
I can see where the left will miss having that tool of oppression, though.

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18 May 2013, 9:17 am

Teabaggers do not object to taxes, they object to taxes on the wealthy and want to soak people progressively as they make less. I think in their ideal world they want to force people to sell themselves into slavery as happened in Roman times.

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18 May 2013, 10:10 am

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Increased savings means greater production and future consumption.

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18 May 2013, 11:46 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

The IRS exposing itself as corrupt that it is thanks enough. How about we shut down the IRS? I don't think they'll be mourned by many.

There is a lot of things that could be done, the fact we have a tax code so complex and twisted that no one but trained professionals can understand it and even they struggle with it is a huge issue. We have a bureaucracy of over 100,000 people that harass and destroy people's lives just so our government can rob us of more money to fund its bailouts and wars. Either we fork up the cash or they'll go around us and print more.

Flat tax, FAIR Tax, national sales tax, back before the 16th amendment most of the federal government's revenue was from excise taxes and tariffs. It's a conversation this government needs to have. How much money does this country spend running the IRS bureaucracy? How much money does it take out of the economy for people to file their taxes? There is a whole industry based around the fact no one understands the tax code.

The fact the IRS has LONG been used to be used to harass political opponents is proof enough of the danger it poses, I do not buy for a second that Obama was the first to do this. Nixon was quite fond of screwing his political enemies via the IRS. It's incompetent, it's corrupt, it's immoral.

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18 May 2013, 12:13 pm

Teabaggers demand tax-exempt status but blatantly back a political party. What did they expect but to receive extra scrutiny. Overall I find it laughably ironic and not particularly scandalous. It is an astroturf movement and is getting it's just reward

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18 May 2013, 2:50 pm

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Oppressing the rich? Poor, poor rich. :cry:

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18 May 2013, 2:52 pm

Jacoby wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

The IRS exposing itself as corrupt that it is thanks enough. How about we shut down the IRS? I don't think they'll be mourned by many.

I never said the IRS were particularly the good guys - far from it. But when they do the job they're supposed to do, they serve a purpose.

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18 May 2013, 2:58 pm

Jacoby wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

The IRS exposing itself as corrupt that it is thanks enough. How about we shut down the IRS? I don't think they'll be mourned by many.

Of course the IRS has been used by those in power to hurt their enemies. As you said, Nixon did it, and Bobby Kennedy as AG had had Nixon's mother audited.
But to say that Obama was behind this without any thorough investigation yet is hardly any different than the inappropriate use of the IRS is.

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