23 Jun 2013, 7:41 pm
I dont think of our food as toxic,just too rich for regular consumption.We probably eat more veggies that are really healthy,like collards.Sometimes I cook them the traditional way,sometimes with olive oil.They are always good,no matter what.But people don't work as hard as they used to and our food does tend to be carb. and calorie rich.If I look at photos from turn of the century,most people were not overweight.And they ate a very fatty diet and lived to be into their 80's.But breakfast was before daylight,you were working as soon as you could see,and you worked till dark,or longer maybe.They burned all those fats and carbs off.And the food was healthier.Home raised or harvested from the wild.
The joke I always heard,the three seasonings of the South,salt,sugar and bacon grease. 
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23 Jun 2013, 7:49 pm
You do know that the term cracker is in reference to poor white people??It's true that she most likely has killed off quite a few with those butter rich dishes.You can eat that way a couple days a week and get away with it.I'm sure they died happy,in fact I'm going to eat some crowder peas with bacon,cornbread cooked with bacon grease,and some wilted lettuce that has been scalded with bacon grease.And I am going to put some butter on that cornbread.But I don't eat that every day.Tomorrow will be just veggies.No bacon
It's possible she will flip this like Martha Stewart did.She was also suppose to be a terror to work for.Anthony Bourdain and her have been sparring at each other for awhile.
The wedding plan seems tasteless,you could do a Southern theme without using slavery as part of it.
I just wonder why it is ok to use racial remarks toward whites?If I worked for someone and they called me a honky,I doubt they would get in trouble for it.
Misslizard, all this talk about the toxicity of Southern food is just one more component of the psychological ethnic warfare against Southern culture in general. And like the rest of that technique, the charge that Southern food is uniquely toxic is half true at best.
As for Deen's show, I've never watched it. But years ago there used to be a famous chef on TV named Julia Child. Even when I was a kid I used to cringe at how much butter and cream she used. And she was hardly Southern. In fact, I believe she was a good liberal.
Is Mexican food any better, especially considering the authentic items makes, uh, liberal use of lard? No. How about Chinese stir fry slathered in oils of unknown provenance? Is it really any better when the Chinese stir fry things than when Southerners do it? Is Southern food really less healthy than Taco Bell or pizza or cheeseburgers?
There are healthy ways of eating Southern cuisine; I know, I do it as part of my aspie diet. Most of what I eat is fried, though in healthy olive oils, or comes off my barbecue pit. Nor are Southern delicacies such as collard greens and okra, or black-eye peas or pinto beans, in any way toxic, and I eat them all on a regular basis. In fact, I eat Southern food every day and I'm far healthier and skinnier than when I lived on fast food and other restaurant fare.
All we can hope for is that our liberal critics decide to replace their ignorance and fear with the respect that comes from knowledge and understanding.
Perhaps you aren't aware of this fact, but MissLizard is herself a southerner living in a southern state. I hardly think there's a war on southern food in particular, as criticism for mid-western food fried in lard is also very common. Food anywhere in the country will probably kill you, given time. To say that this is politically inspired sounds a bit too thin skinned.
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I haven't seen any criticisms of Midwestern cuisine on this thread, though I have seen numerous comments on the hazards of Southern cuisine. In fact, whenever Southern cuisine is discussed in the respectable media, the alleged health problems must be mentioned in the same vein as discussions of cigarettes must include mention of the health problems they cause. I know of no other ethnic cuisine for which this is true.
I think since the Cultural Revolution of the sixties that made the personal political that the personal has been made political. That's just the world in which I find myself. Are you really not aware of this? Or am I not supposed to be aware of this?
23 Jun 2013, 7:50 pm
No, I meant someone on WP (not you) accused me of cheer-leading (and trolling
) last year or before so I have to take the opportunity to do it once in a while.But at my expense.
You'll live.
People don't realize what a bust ass life people lived back then, especially in rural areas.
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23 Jun 2013, 8:04 pm
The joke I always heard,the three seasonings of the South,salt,sugar and bacon grease.
Misslizard, I advocate two things: Enjoying Southern cuisine cooked healthily, and enjoying it in moderation. For example, instead of cooking beans in fatty salt pork, put in some lean meat just before they are done, and the same with collards and such.
You are right; the fatty version of our food was eaten at a time when Southerners worked hard and burned off all those calories. Since we no longer work that hard physically, our diets must change to meet our new lifestyles. For example, my grandfather had to quit school in the third grade to support the family by working in the cotton fields whereas I sit at a desk all day long. As you note, our diet needs to meet our changing lifestyles.
23 Jun 2013, 8:18 pm
Oh? Then why wasn't Deen sacked for sexual harassment?
She wasn't "sacked" from the restaurant because she owns it. She hasn't been sacked from Food Network, they made a statement saying they would not be renewing her contract when it expires in the near future, and they didn't comment as to the reason.
I'm fully aware of where Deen was sacked from; it is hardly esoteric knowledge.
If Deen wasn't sacked for using racial epithets, then why is she on her knees groveling for forgiveness for this offense rather than for her other alleged transgressions?
I assume it's symptomatic of her Type 2 Racism. It's hardly esoteric knowledge, bro.
Do liberals really have a racism taxonomy? If so, that's just precious. If so, please be so good as to inform this simple old aspie what "Type 2 Racism" is.
It was a reference to the Daily Show joke from last week, is that what you're referring to when you say "liberals" ?
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv ... 6965.story
Oh, do you get all your information from the TV? But to answer your question, I quit TV twenty years ago. Consequently, I have no choice but to get my information from books.
I watched a clip online, with the bit poking fun at Paula Deen, so for that reference/joke, yes, it came from a television show. I'm an avid reader of the printed word, but the internet has been the only direct source of information about Paula Deen, the lawsuit against her, the media frenzy surrounding all of it, etc.
Example:
http://www.atlawblog.com/wp-content/upl ... plaint.pdf
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23 Jun 2013, 8:18 pm
I did watch a show on PBS about the differences in the diet and diabetes rate in a group of Native Americans.Part lived on this side of the border,the other on the Mexican side.The U.S. side was obese and diabetic.They ate processed food and lots of sugar.The Mexican side had few cases of diabetes but they walked a lot more,and ate stone ground corn tortillas,instead of white flour ones and lotsnof beans.When the US side started to walk and eat the traditional foods their weight came off and better blood sugar results.
I have seen pictures of Football fans across the nation looking really unhealthy.Maybe tailgating is a big menace to our health.I bet Paula has a tailgating special.
I think quite a few ethnic cusinnes are really high in fat,the people needed those calories.
What's Midwest cuisine?All I can think of is corn.And steak.
23 Jun 2013, 8:30 pm
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23 Jun 2013, 9:28 pm
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Sigh.......
The key word there is hired, not purchased. The difference should be obvious and those hired did so voluntarily, got paid, at the end they got back in their cars and drove home and were probably less offended than you are. Personally, I wouldn't want a wedding reception like that but that's just me.
Having just done a quick search for this alleged wedding or weddings I didnt find anything. Surely such a travesty would be within the first page of search results.
23 Jun 2013, 9:39 pm
You used to see these when I was a kid,some people made sure they had a white one also.
A lovely pair of them was presented to the bride and groom at the Deen wedding.,just kiddin.'
23 Jun 2013, 9:40 pm
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Sigh.......
The key word there is hired, not purchased. The difference should be obvious and those hired did so voluntarily, got paid, at the end they got back in their cars and drove home and were probably less offended than you are. Personally, I wouldn't want a wedding reception like that but that's just me.
Having just done a quick search for this alleged wedding or weddings I didnt find anything. Surely such a travesty would be within the first page of search results.
She described it as something she had wanted to do but decided against because of how the media would react.
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23 Jun 2013, 9:44 pm
You used to see these when I was a kid,some people made sure they had a white one also.
A lovely pair of them was presented to the bride and groom at the Deen wedding.,just kiddin.'
Those are still in use. Usually they'll be holding an electric lantern at the end of a driveway.
23 Jun 2013, 9:48 pm
Yes,that's where I always saw them,usually a pair.I haven't seen one of them up here.I'm not sure why.I know someone that had two pine apples at their gate and someone stole them.Same for another pair of statues.Maybe too many statue thieves around here.
