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18 Oct 2013, 10:39 am

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I would ask, "what are WE for?"


We do not have to be for anything, just like a god.

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He was arrested, tried and killed on a cross, as I already mentioned...


And father christmas gave presents to children, they are still both man made ideas.

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And yes, it's just a cartoon drawing, meant to invoke thought.


No, it's a religious cartoon, meant to distract the beleiver from asking those awkward questions like, WHY? HOW? and DO I REALLY NEED YOU?


Well, I can see you have little knowledge of what the past 20 years of archeology has been turning up...



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18 Oct 2013, 11:04 am

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18 Oct 2013, 11:15 am

I think the real question is, why do I get involved in these posts? Nothing new is ever revealed or spoken about. It's just "yes it is, no it isn't" then people start trying to insult each other. It just gets stupid and nothing positive comes out of it.



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18 Oct 2013, 11:17 am

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I think the real question is, why do I get involved in these posts? Nothing new is ever revealed or spoken about. It's just "yes it is, no it isn't" then people start trying to insult each other. It just gets stupid and nothing positive comes out of it.


Are you sure you're referring this thread?

I gave you some elaborate answers and all you did was brush them off without thinking about what I said.



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18 Oct 2013, 11:42 am

MCalavera wrote:
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I think the real question is, why do I get involved in these posts? Nothing new is ever revealed or spoken about. It's just "yes it is, no it isn't" then people start trying to insult each other. It just gets stupid and nothing positive comes out of it.


Are you sure you're referring this thread?

I gave you some elaborate answers and all you did was brush them off without thinking about what I said.


I have heard them before, and they dismissive themselves.



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18 Oct 2013, 11:49 am

shrox wrote:
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I think the real question is, why do I get involved in these posts? Nothing new is ever revealed or spoken about. It's just "yes it is, no it isn't" then people start trying to insult each other. It just gets stupid and nothing positive comes out of it.


Are you sure you're referring this thread?

I gave you some elaborate answers and all you did was brush them off without thinking about what I said.


I have heard them before, and they dismissive themselves.


No, you just don't want to be convinced is what this is all about.

If God himself appeared in some incarnation form and tortured a loved one of yours to death, you would argue he couldn't have been God because God wouldn't do such thing.

And yet, you say that God would have no issue standing by and letting a human being do it. And when I make an effort to point out the double standards in such a thinking, you just call it dismissive.

What's the difference between raping someone and standing by doing nothing but watch someone do the raping. Is the latter not immoral as well?



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18 Oct 2013, 7:49 pm

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1. I was not created as all knowing, all powerful or all loving. So if god thinks it's up to me, then he is to blame for not creating me in a way to handle it.
2. God is supposedly all knowing, all powerful and all loving. Yet he does nothing??

That's two strikes against the big guy.


What do want him to do? To stop these things would amount to mind control, and at what point should he intervene?

Your equating your inaction and feelings as "two strikes against the big guy" is indeed funny, fortunately many do take up the slack. Shouldn't your parents be blamed by your logic, they had first hand interaction with you? I don't mean to imply anything negative, just comparing your logic in this particular point.

Your logic is far more flawed. If god is all powerful and all good. He could have created a perfect world without mind control. He should be able to create a perfect world without any human minds. Yet he didn't. The world was created imperfect long before man and their minds existed.



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19 Oct 2013, 5:04 pm

Cash__ wrote:
shrox wrote:
Cash__ wrote:
shrox wrote:
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1. I was not created as all knowing, all powerful or all loving. So if god thinks it's up to me, then he is to blame for not creating me in a way to handle it.
2. God is supposedly all knowing, all powerful and all loving. Yet he does nothing??

That's two strikes against the big guy.


What do want him to do? To stop these things would amount to mind control, and at what point should he intervene?

Your equating your inaction and feelings as "two strikes against the big guy" is indeed funny, fortunately many do take up the slack. Shouldn't your parents be blamed by your logic, they had first hand interaction with you? I don't mean to imply anything negative, just comparing your logic in this particular point.

Your logic is far more flawed. If god is all powerful and all good. He could have created a perfect world without mind control. He should be able to create a perfect world without any human minds. Yet he didn't. The world was created imperfect long before man and their minds existed.

The problem I see here is a false assumption about who or what God is. There are also other false assumptions regarding what a perfect world is--specifically assumptions that judge God based upon what a human being thinks perfection ought to be.

First of all, who says God never created such a world in which perfection was a reality without mind control? Adam and Eve intrinsically preferred good to evil without even being aware of what good and evil meant, at least prior to the fall.

Second, you appear to be committing the naturalistic fallacy. Why God is expected to create a perfect world with or without human minds is completely irrelevant. The fact is that the world does exist with human minds, so it logically follows that God's plan in creating a perfect world necessarily involves the invention of the human mind. A world without the human mind in the world's initial state would not have been a perfect world according to God's vision.