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18 Nov 2013, 4:41 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGxBUyHbn2E[/youtube] :wall: :doh:


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18 Nov 2013, 4:47 pm

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The most powerful Christian organisation on the planet has no issue with evolution and most of its clerics agree that evolution is fact. However, I've met many lay Catholics who refuse to believe in evolution as vehemently as your average evangelical protestant does. I wish the Church would do its credibility a favour and make belief in evolution an official position. Actually, no I don't want that - I want the RC church to keep discrediting itself :twisted: It would lead to a big increase in the number of Christians believing in evolution and possibly change the public position of 'Christianity' on this debate...but nah, keep damaging thyself, Christendom!



A pope has already blessed the Big Bang hypothesis and evolution. The Church is no bastion of biblical literalism. That is a protesting thing. The fundies and the evangelicals advocate taking the bible literally even to believing that the earth and solar system is less than 10,000 years old.

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18 Nov 2013, 5:04 pm

One: not all Christian disagree with evolution.

Two: Those who do are self-deluded (all religious people technically are, but some more than others).



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18 Nov 2013, 5:31 pm

I disagree with the public perception of evolution.

Most people think real world evolution is similiar to Pokemon evolution
What? Homo Erectus is Evolving!
duh duh duh duh duh
Congratulations! Homo Erectus has evolved into Modern Human!


...that is not how it works.

You are evolving right now.

Analogy: I look at Pangea maps, and scoff. When you look at it, it seems to imply that the Earth was like this one day, then this the next. No, it happened so slowly that nothing noticed, and its still happening now.

8O [/i]...the Earth is moving beneath your feet... and your evolving with it...[i]



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18 Nov 2013, 6:36 pm

ruveyn wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
The most powerful Christian organisation on the planet has no issue with evolution and most of its clerics agree that evolution is fact. However, I've met many lay Catholics who refuse to believe in evolution as vehemently as your average evangelical protestant does. I wish the Church would do its credibility a favour and make belief in evolution an official position. Actually, no I don't want that - I want the RC church to keep discrediting itself :twisted: It would lead to a big increase in the number of Christians believing in evolution and possibly change the public position of 'Christianity' on this debate...but nah, keep damaging thyself, Christendom!



A pope has already blessed the Big Bang hypothesis and evolution. The Church is no bastion of biblical literalism. That is a protesting thing. The fundies and the evangelicals advocate taking the bible literally even to believing that the earth and solar system is less than 10,000 years old.

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Catholics are under no obligation to believe in evolution or the Big Bang though, and many don't from my experience. If they made it dogma that would be both incredibly funny and powerful. If I was the Catholic Church (good thing I'm not,) I would be up for such Grade A trolling of other Christian denominations.


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18 Nov 2013, 7:53 pm

Asperger96 wrote:
I disagree with the public perception of evolution.

Most people think real world evolution is similiar to Pokemon evolution
What? Homo Erectus is Evolving!
duh duh duh duh duh
Congratulations! Homo Erectus has evolved into Modern Human!


...that is not how it works.

You are evolving right now.

Analogy: I look at Pangea maps, and scoff. When you look at it, it seems to imply that the Earth was like this one day, then this the next. No, it happened so slowly that nothing noticed, and its still happening now.

8O [/i]...the Earth is moving beneath your feet... and your evolving with it...[i]


My Mom was the opposite of you.

She said that there were moments when she got bored in grade school ( in the 1930's) when she would ignore and look past the teacher droning on and look at the world map on the wall behind the teacher, and think "Ya know...the shoreline of South America looks like it fits right into Africa. I bet they were attached at one time." This was fourty years before Plate Tectonics was even dreamed of, and 'continental drift' was considered a crazy old theory from the past.



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18 Nov 2013, 8:10 pm

But as for me and my house, we will serve the MATH.



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18 Nov 2013, 10:08 pm

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Catholics are under no obligation to believe in evolution or the Big Bang though, and many don't from my experience. If they made it dogma that would be both incredibly funny and powerful. If I was the Catholic Church (good thing I'm not,) I would be up for such Grade A trolling of other Christian denominations.


That is true. It is also true that there is currently nothing in Church doctrine that oppose the Theory of Evolution. The Church learned a lesson from its tussle with Galileo. The Church no long bases its theology on literal reading of the bible. Unfortunately for the Fundies and the Evangelicals they tend to take the KJV as "gospel" and tend to read it if not literally then as "inerrant".

The Bible is wrong about the age of the Earth. It is not 6000 years old. It is over 4 billion years old. And the Earth moves about the Sun not the other way around.

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19 Nov 2013, 7:37 am

puddingmouse wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
The most powerful Christian organisation on the planet has no issue with evolution and most of its clerics agree that evolution is fact. However, I've met many lay Catholics who refuse to believe in evolution as vehemently as your average evangelical protestant does. I wish the Church would do its credibility a favour and make belief in evolution an official position. Actually, no I don't want that - I want the RC church to keep discrediting itself :twisted: It would lead to a big increase in the number of Christians believing in evolution and possibly change the public position of 'Christianity' on this debate...but nah, keep damaging thyself, Christendom!



A pope has already blessed the Big Bang hypothesis and evolution. The Church is no bastion of biblical literalism. That is a protesting thing. The fundies and the evangelicals advocate taking the bible literally even to believing that the earth and solar system is less than 10,000 years old.

ruveyn


Catholics are under no obligation to believe in evolution or the Big Bang though, and many don't from my experience. If they made it dogma that would be both incredibly funny and powerful. If I was the Catholic Church (good thing I'm not,) I would be up for such Grade A trolling of other Christian denominations.


The last several Popes have said that "its up to individual Catholics to choose whichever explaination for the origin of the universe they believe". So the RCC as an institution is not anti-evolution.

But Im sure there are Catholic individuals like Mel Gibson, and (especially)his dad, who are just as rabidly YEC as any Protestant Evangelical. As are many Orthodox Jews. But rabidly YEC Catholics cant expect a helping hand from the Vatican to make a cause out of it. So the media industry that is devoted to evolution denial- is a Protestant creation.



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19 Nov 2013, 7:59 am

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Why do Christians scowl at evolution...


THEY dont. We have plenty of christians in europe here, and noone would even get into the idea of believing that, and all are fine with the old testament being a gathering of old origin stories and moral story comparisons of those times. Even the catholic pope declared it to be nonsense to create on purpose a difference between religious creation theory and evolution, that is widely proofed, by forcing by all means to relie word for word on something that has been delivered by mouth to mouth theory for centuries until it was finally written down, to be translated and interpreted in many way. Specially when, if you take it in general, creation and evolution are not contradicting to each other, by the starting creation of universe and planets, which involves light and darkness, land and sea,, following with life on earth that first existed in animal form which leaded as well to homo sapiens.

Evolution theory HERE simply means the question, if there is a mind behind all the physical, cosmological, chemical and biological rule, leading to the creation of life or not. So is there an entitity, having planned the big bang and the creation of planets and life.

That creationstuff in the meaning of a god playing playmobil farm, is simply an american thing.



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19 Nov 2013, 10:51 am

I love when people try to write it off as a small freaky fringe subset. The majority of Christians in the US are young earth creationist, YEC.


According to the latest Gallup polls, 78% of Americans identify as Christian and 46% of Americans believe in creationism, that the world is less than 10,000 years old. 46%! !! Now there approx 317 million Americans. Lets apply some math. That means:

There are 247.26 million Christians in the US.

There are 145.82 million YECs in the US.

In all fairness some Jewish and Moslems believe in YEC. So we will back that 3% out. That means there are 141.45 million YEC Christians.

Put the 141.45 over the 247.26 and that shows that 57% of Christian are young earth creationist. It seems the evolution Christians are the small fringe subset.



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19 Nov 2013, 10:57 am

I did not write it off as a small freaky fringe subset. I wrote it off as an american thing, as you write yourself.

If you like it otherwise, I write it off as an indicator for a bad public school system.



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19 Nov 2013, 11:50 am

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I love when people try to write it off as a small freaky fringe subset. The majority of Christians in the US are young earth creationist, YEC.


According to the latest Gallup polls, 78% of Americans identify as Christian and 46% of Americans believe in creationism, that the world is less than 10,000 years old. 46%! !! Now there approx 317 million Americans. Lets apply some math. That means:

There are 247.26 million Christians in the US.

There are 145.82 million YECs in the US.

In all fairness some Jewish and Moslems believe in YEC. So we will back that 3% out. That means there are 141.45 million YEC Christians.

Put the 141.45 over the 247.26 and that shows that 57% of Christian are young earth creationist. It seems the evolution Christians are the small fringe subset.


But there are also Christians that accept the current theory of evolution as supported by experiment and measurement. They are not scowling..

Obviously there are too many people who accept the Young Earth Story and that means that are ignoramuses with respect to physical and biological science.

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19 Nov 2013, 1:36 pm

Because evolution is proven wrong and it contradicts the perfect truth that is God and his bible.



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19 Nov 2013, 1:42 pm

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Because evolution is proven wrong and it contradicts the perfect truth that is God and his bible.


:lmao:

Comedian, troll or just plain uneducated?


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19 Nov 2013, 2:04 pm

TallyMan wrote:
fortydaysthree wrote:
Because evolution is proven wrong and it contradicts the perfect truth that is God and his bible.


:lmao:

Comedian, troll or just plain uneducated?


I guess 2nd
He himself might guess 1st, but that would make him 3rd