Should prisons be coed?

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10 Dec 2013, 10:28 am

I wonder why the more strident feminists are staying out of the present discussion? Perhaps the observation in my original post

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....I don't think that Feminists have started taking aim at this issue, possibly because they don't perceive any particular advantage (for women) of housing female convicts together with male convicts....

was correct? Which leaves no clear means of attacking the Patriarchs?

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10 Dec 2013, 10:51 am

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It's not sexist when most criminals are heterosexual and many have no qualms against raping someone. We do not need them breeding when they are to be punished.

Prisoners get raped by other inmates in prisons anyway, in both men's and women's prisons. And no, it does not necessarily have anything to do with whether or not they are heterosexual.

I know, but there would probably be even more.

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10 Dec 2013, 11:40 am

Here is an article about sex in the Soviet Gulag Archipelago:

http://www.units.muohio.edu/havighurstc ... erence.pdf

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Hava Volovich describes wanting to become pregnant as a way to feel more human, and writes that the sex drive was “the only thing that these stock-breeders from hell could
not exterminate”

Prisoners still have sex drives.

Given that sex is an extremely important commodity, missing (at least officially) from modern prisons, female prisoners could probably use sex to obtain favors from other prisoners and from guards. Probably they would compete for the big bruiser's affections, who could not only offer them protection, but who could beat up anyone they wanted. Protection is a highly important commodity in prison populations.

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10 Dec 2013, 12:28 pm

IF there was a coed prison,birth control should be mandatory.For health reasons, rubbers,just think how quickly STDs,crabs,and lice would spread in prison without preventative measures.I know sex is going on in single sex prisons,but there would be a lot more sex happening if the sexes were incarcerated together.
Think if all the women's periods sync up, imagine being imprisoned with a bunch of angry women with PMS all at the same time.Seems like a man's nightmare rather than dream.

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10 Dec 2013, 12:37 pm

That must have been what happened here: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.h ... 5B818EF1D3

It would probably be turned into a movie at some point.

Probably the best solution would be to isolate the women at that point.

This must happen in the military, too. I can imagine the Lieutenant's report: "My squad is entering PMS. We're ready and anxious to attack."

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10 Dec 2013, 3:51 pm

Why isolate the women?Isolate the men.Tobacco caused that prison riot.
The men in the military with blue balls probably feel anxious and ready to attack something also.The villagers don't have to worry about the women soldiers raping everything female in sight.
The sheep and goats are especially vulnerable to predation.

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10 Dec 2013, 9:15 pm

yes, isolate the women in their own prison then we are back to how it is now so might as well just keep it that way.

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13 Dec 2013, 9:50 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

yes, isolate the women in their own prison then we are back to how it is now so might as well just keep it that way.

Yeah, but that would be SEXIST! :shameonyou:

Anyway, when they all start ovulating a couple of weeks later, they will once again be approachable and prison life will be harmonious.

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13 Dec 2013, 12:22 pm

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This whole thread is ridiculous... I wish others realized the original poster is having a lark at them, mostly likely snickering at the mischief he's caused.

You obviously don't live in Massachusetts...

Should This Inmate Get a State-Financed Sex Change Operation? (linky)

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MCI-Norfolk is located 30 miles south of Boston amid 400 acres of wetlands and marshes. It’s a 20-minute drive from the house where Robert Kosilek strangled his wife, Cheryl. From the outside, during evening visiting hours, the prison is monolithic and silent. Its floodlit, sheer concrete walls are 19 feet high and stretch so far into the distance, a quarter of a mile on each side, that they seem fake, like an optical illusion. At each corner rise squat towers in which unseen guards, armed with high-powered rifles, keep watch.

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As she finished her ice cream, she became self-conscious. “Is my lipstick gone?” she asked, licking her lips. She nervously swept back her hair with her index fingers. She didn’t tuck it behind her ears, and I wondered if she might be self-conscious about their size. Would SRS rid her of insecurity about her body? I asked. “Of course not,” she said. She held out her arms: “Look at these big f*****g Polish peasant hands.” The hair on her face continued to cause her distress. Kosilek’s electrolysis treatments had been terminated without explanation in 2008, and she has been trying to resume them ever since. To eliminate her beard entirely would require eight more hours of sessions, she told me, at an estimated cost of $5,000. Once her surgery was done, she expected to be moved, at long last, to the state’s only women’s prison, in Framingham, about 20 minutes away. A transfer wasn’t guaranteed, but she was prepared to fight the MDOC again in court.

'Course there probably aren't many men who'd want to have their hoo-haas removed to facilitate such a transfer, but there's a distinct possibility an XY is gonna get sent to a prison for XXs.

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13 Dec 2013, 3:38 pm

I believe that under the new regulations established under the Prison Rape Elimination Act, jails and prisons are going to have to start considering transgender and intersex inmates on a case-by-case basis, which includes taking into account the views of the inmate:

http://www.basicrights.org/news/trans-j ... gulations/

My understanding is that state prisons that receive federal funds will have to take them into account soon. Of course, Kosilek, who murdered her wife, may not do well in a women's prison.

As for providing sex reassignment surgery, if you were to read the decision, you will find she has a valid diagnosis of GID and that the prison doctors, in accordance with accepted medical standards as spelled out in medical textbooks and by major medical organizations, had recommended her to have SRS:

http://pacer.mad.uscourts.gov/dc/cgi-bi ... cision.pdf

(Note: It's a long decision. I think the most relevant parts are from about page 85 to the end.)

The major medical organizations in the U.S. recommend private and public health coverage of transition-related care as recommended by the patient's physician:

http://www.lambdalegal.org/sites/defaul ... alth_4.pdf

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13 Dec 2013, 4:20 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

AutisticMillionaire wrote:

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

It may not be safe for the men to have the women there.My bio mom worked men's max units.She said she wouldn't work at the women's unit because the inmates were in her words,"crazy as hell and dangerous."If you had a Eileen Wuornos type woman in with rapists,she would be like a kid in a candy store.

Most women in the prisons aren't like her. Depends on where you are. If Wuornos were in a man's prison, it would be worse for her than the men because they would all be trying to get revenge.

I sorta agree, but it would not be revenge...men are just animals in prison . Wuornos was raped all her life, and got a few attacks on helpless men only.

In a mans prison she would be brutally raped with every other woman in real life.

It would be CRUEL and UNUSUAL punishment making broken women more broken. Women and children were often locked up with men in the middle-ages, and would be raped by the morning.. Obviously, locking rapists and women together is....insane.

This whole thread is ridiculous... I wish others realized the original poster is having a lark at them, mostly likely snickering at the mischief he's caused.

Actually I feel terrible for Wuornos. I know she is a murderer but if you read her bio, Jesus. She had a terrible life. She only added to it by making rotten choices though.

The same can be said of many male serial killers. Some of them were victims of extreme child abuse and even sexual abuse. We just don't talk about it that often when the serial killer is male, or even feel very sorry for them do we? Yet, it's different in the case of Eileen Wournos because she was female?

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