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02 Jan 2014, 4:31 am

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKA6vHx1Ur4[/youtube]The mind of a creationist! :lol:


OMD I stopped after the crocoduck, ok creationists on this forum, defend or criticise this video of else forever stay out of debates on evolution and refrain from denying the facts to others.


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02 Jan 2014, 5:10 am

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So the result implies that over the last few years Americans have actually generally become dumber / less well educated than before; particularly republicans?

I find it amazing that a western country that is so technologically advanced as the US is so educationally backward regarding sciences; though in polls I've seen elsewhere scientific knowledge in the US is dropping compared to the rest of the world. I still think it is amusing that the Americans have to hitch lifts on the Russians rockets to reach the international space station... the embarrassment of it. :lol: Maybe the Chinese will let the Americans hitch a lift to the moon on their missions too.

The educational backwardness of the U.S. actually makes perfect sense if you consider the geographic disparities in education. Public education financing tends to be based on local property taxes, so rich neighborhoods will always have more resources than poorer ones. States on the coast tend to have much better test scores than states in the interior, which drag our national results down. The state and federal governments can correct for these disparities, but this is often resisted. The U.S. has an extremely strong culture of local control and financing for schools. Couple a wildly unequal education system with a world class and selective higher education system, and you are bound to have further disparities.


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02 Jan 2014, 5:23 am

beneficii wrote:
lotuspuppy wrote:
TallyMan wrote:
So the result implies that over the last few years Americans have actually generally become dumber / less well educated than before; particularly republicans?

I find it amazing that a western country that is so technologically advanced as the US is so educationally backward regarding sciences; though in polls I've seen elsewhere scientific knowledge in the US is dropping compared to the rest of the world. I still think it is amusing that the Americans have to hitch lifts on the Russians rockets to reach the international space station... the embarrassment of it. :lol: Maybe the Chinese will let the Americans hitch a lift to the moon on their missions too.

The educational backwardness of the U.S. actually makes perfect sense if you consider the geographic disparities in education. Public education financing tends to be based on local property taxes, so rich neighborhoods will always have more resources than poorer ones. States on the coast tend to have much better test scores than states in the interior, which drag our national results down. The state and federal governments can correct for these disparities, but this is often resisted. The U.S. has an extremely strong culture of local control and financing for schools. Couple a wildly unequal education system with a world class and selective higher education system, and you are bound to have further disparities.


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What's ironic is that it's usually the poor districts who want to keep the 'gubmint' out of their schools.



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02 Jan 2014, 5:32 am

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beneficii wrote:
lotuspuppy wrote:
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So the result implies that over the last few years Americans have actually generally become dumber / less well educated than before; particularly republicans?

I find it amazing that a western country that is so technologically advanced as the US is so educationally backward regarding sciences; though in polls I've seen elsewhere scientific knowledge in the US is dropping compared to the rest of the world. I still think it is amusing that the Americans have to hitch lifts on the Russians rockets to reach the international space station... the embarrassment of it. :lol: Maybe the Chinese will let the Americans hitch a lift to the moon on their missions too.

The educational backwardness of the U.S. actually makes perfect sense if you consider the geographic disparities in education. Public education financing tends to be based on local property taxes, so rich neighborhoods will always have more resources than poorer ones. States on the coast tend to have much better test scores than states in the interior, which drag our national results down. The state and federal governments can correct for these disparities, but this is often resisted. The U.S. has an extremely strong culture of local control and financing for schools. Couple a wildly unequal education system with a world class and selective higher education system, and you are bound to have further disparities.


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What's ironic is that it's usually the poor districts who want to keep the 'gubmint' out of their schools.


So true. White working class Americans shooting themselves in the foot goes all the way back to the aftermath of Bacon's Rebellion when they accepted a permanent subordinate position to the elite whites in exchange for lording it over the blacks.


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02 Jan 2014, 1:24 pm

People never learn that with the politics of racial suppression, only the rich and powerful win in the end.


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02 Jan 2014, 1:34 pm

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People never learn that with the politics of racial suppression, only the rich and powerful win in the end.

The rich and powerful win in the end regardless of politics.



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02 Jan 2014, 2:10 pm

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People never learn that with the politics of racial suppression, only the rich and powerful win in the end.

The rich and powerful win in the end regardless of politics.


Maybe so, but with the politics of racial suppression, one group of poor people are allowed to believe they're stepping up on the backs of another group of poor people. There's something truly insidious about destroying yourself out of hatred for others who are in the same boat as you are.


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02 Jan 2014, 4:32 pm

It is scary that one country has more weaponry than the rest of the world put together. Add in the radicalisation of the population by religious fanatics, many of whom are in very powerful positions and it becomes positively terrifying.

Government controlled education, teaching politically weighted beliefs rather than internationally recognised facts, bit like the old Soviet union in a way.

Whatever happened to Americans being forward thinking innovators? Is this a backlash against that history?



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02 Jan 2014, 4:38 pm

beneficii wrote:
LKL wrote:
beneficii wrote:
lotuspuppy wrote:
TallyMan wrote:
So the result implies that over the last few years Americans have actually generally become dumber / less well educated than before; particularly republicans?

I find it amazing that a western country that is so technologically advanced as the US is so educationally backward regarding sciences; though in polls I've seen elsewhere scientific knowledge in the US is dropping compared to the rest of the world. I still think it is amusing that the Americans have to hitch lifts on the Russians rockets to reach the international space station... the embarrassment of it. :lol: Maybe the Chinese will let the Americans hitch a lift to the moon on their missions too.

The educational backwardness of the U.S. actually makes perfect sense if you consider the geographic disparities in education. Public education financing tends to be based on local property taxes, so rich neighborhoods will always have more resources than poorer ones. States on the coast tend to have much better test scores than states in the interior, which drag our national results down. The state and federal governments can correct for these disparities, but this is often resisted. The U.S. has an extremely strong culture of local control and financing for schools. Couple a wildly unequal education system with a world class and selective higher education system, and you are bound to have further disparities.


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What's ironic is that it's usually the poor districts who want to keep the 'gubmint' out of their schools.


So true. White working class Americans shooting themselves in the foot goes all the way back to the aftermath of Bacon's Rebellion when they accepted a permanent subordinate position to the elite whites in exchange for lording it over the blacks.

Well, I wouldn't make that kind of a leap. There are many, many reasons for the geographic disparities that exist in education and other facets of American life. For instance, I think some of the disparity is just a function of the sheer isolation of many communities. Take the souls unfortunate enough to be in the intermountain West? How many people can that support? How dispersed are they? Of those lucky enough to be in metropolitan areas there, how many of them can access another city by means other than air transportation? It's harder to concentrate resources in that kind of environment than, say, it is along the Northeast corridor.



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02 Jan 2014, 4:52 pm

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There are many, many reasons for the geographic disparities that exist in education and other facets of American life. For instance, I think some of the disparity is just a function of the sheer isolation of many communities. Take the souls unfortunate enough to be in the intermountain West? How many people can that support? How dispersed are they? Of those lucky enough to be in metropolitan areas there, how many of them can access another city by means other than air transportation? It's harder to concentrate resources in that kind of environment than, say, it is along the Northeast corridor.

Why is it unfortunate to live in the "intermountain west"? Why is it more lucky to live in a metropolitan area versus a rural area?

You are projecting your values on other people. If someone in a rural town is happy running his farm, he may not care one bit about higher education. He doesn't want what you want. Maybe what's best for him is what *he* thinks is best for him. You thinking that he'll be better off with higher education or anything else you value without considering what matters to him is selfish and self-righteous.



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02 Jan 2014, 4:57 pm

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Well, I wouldn't make that kind of a leap. There are many, many reasons for the geographic disparities that exist in education and other facets of American life. For instance, I think some of the disparity is just a function of the sheer isolation of many communities. Take the souls unfortunate enough to be in the intermountain West? How many people can that support? How dispersed are they? Of those lucky enough to be in metropolitan areas there, how many of them can access another city by means other than air transportation? It's harder to concentrate resources in that kind of environment than, say, it is along the Northeast corridor.


Actually, people in the intermountain west have a pretty efficient freeway and highway system that can take them anywhere.


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02 Jan 2014, 5:04 pm

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It is scary that one country has more weaponry than the rest of the world put together. Add in the radicalisation of the population by religious fanatics, many of whom are in very powerful positions and it becomes positively terrifying.

Government controlled education, teaching politically weighted beliefs rather than internationally recognised facts, bit like the old Soviet union in a way.

Whatever happened to Americans being forward thinking innovators? Is this a backlash against that history?


Yep. I've long entertained fantasies of the United States, based partly on what I've been seeing, going down the path of a Nazi Germany or an Imperial Japan and launching World War III, probably killing billions in the process.

It is positively terrifying.


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02 Jan 2014, 6:06 pm

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Yep. I've long entertained fantasies of the United States, based partly on what I've been seeing, going down the path of a Nazi Germany or an Imperial Japan and launching World War III, probably killing billions in the process.

It is positively terrifying.

You can't be serious....


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02 Jan 2014, 8:10 pm

They Are!

Remember, they are Evolved, the old rules do not apply to them.

The views on evolution in the US has become a political platform.

I stated my views, thier view is everyone but them is wrong.

Life did not evolve from mud. Life started one time, and all life comes from that single event.

The seed of the Tree of Life was Planted, and all things come from that act.



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02 Jan 2014, 8:16 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbZKUNvmsCU[/youtube]soo glad to be away from the bible belt!


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02 Jan 2014, 8:33 pm

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbZKUNvmsCU[/youtube]soo glad to be away from the bible belt!


"How can an African American person evolve from a white person? We've got different skin." That kid was revealing more than just his belief in creationism with that statement.


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