Satan is REAL!

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last time I did acid every thing melted down to a 2D plane...and It felt like looking out at the world from a cell of my perception. only seeing the light trickling in from the cage of my body/mind.

As a result I decided to bring you epic lulz with the mr Satan video hehe!

The Mr Satan video was awesome!

To be an evolutionary anything it has to be ubiquitous from the source of an idea - in this case belief at all. I see the dualist concept in the three Abrahamics, I don't see it anywhere else. We do have a tendency to think religion = Christianity but that's mainly a function of where we live. I'd also add that there are other takes on the matter, ie. the devil as Fohat and in analogy a bit like a kid playing with plastic explosives for those not ready to handle such energy.

Well, my "Satan" wasn't supposed to refer to anything from any religion, but ancient naturalism. Likely from early stone age. It seemed plausible to me that religion's devil could be derived from this, though at a much later stage.

This "Satan"-figure would represent the dangers outside of the safety of the cave, like wild animals and predators, personified in the evening stories of contemporary hunters.

Right, but what do you do with pantheistic/monist religions that greatly predate Judaism? Generally if evil's admitted its presented as fragmented, dis-unified, and really just a storage of human error or 'the weather' of the environment's occasional impartiality to human survival - that is its just a byproduct and not core to the process.

I guess the reason I differ with the term - to have a 'satan' takes having something of a dipole good/evil running the universe and a particular culture would have to see it like that.

I suggest that any dipole good/evil didn't spontaneously come into existance, but rather gradually and over a long time. The first tribesmen didn't actually talk in terms of religious extremities, but about the evil wolves that eat members of the tribe that don't listen to the wise hunters. Ideas about the "ultimate evil" have probably borrowed from such stories, but likely came much later.

I keep some in my kitchen. Right next to the "Abyssquick".

That DOES explain an awful lot about the first page of this thread.

Do you have any of the self-rising Jesus flour?That will extinguish any hell fire that breaks out on the stove.

By the time a 'Ha Satan' came around we were a bit passed the issue of wolves. It's all sounding just as specious as it did on the first read. Not that I have any vested interest in dualism being a relatively recent phenomena, just that for all the research I've done into world religion or the history of world religion I haven't heard much of any of this. Supposedly it started with nature worship, animism, and if nature itself wasn't a god it was a slew of gods and goddesses dedicated to one thing (something Plato would later reunite as 'the one'). Western history, particularly by way of Egypt, was rooted in mysticism and theurgy which makes a confusing start for the Abrahamic religions as they turned out but when I look back at what's in the Old Testament I see what's concealed within it and it seems like the stuff it's based on is very different from the story developed on the literal level.

I use my Pope on a Rope to take care of that malarkey.

I have no idea if this is what has actually happened, it just seemed plausible to me during my trip that Satan's various historical mugshots originated with predators;

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXN3eT-U4S4[/youtube]

It's true... I don't exist. Remember to forget now.

anyone want a jelly baby?

Lol, this is where the Kevin Spacey lines from Usual Suspects or years of Aphrodite's Urban Takeover bin comes to mind:

How do you shoot the devil in the back? What if you miss?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1o5aclZg1s[/youtube]