If men were oppressed

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You haven't been giving precedence to male on female rape. You have been showing a malignant attitude to the fact men get raped at all, shown you don't care about men who have been raped by women, and have sullied any woman's name who has helped a man that got raped find justice. Quantitive context? You act like we can't stop women from being raped, while also doing the same for men.

Men do get raped, but with a few freak exceptions, it is almost exclusively men who are raping the men.

The fact is that women simply lack the programming and anatomy that men have to be sexually predatory, and that women still have a greater threat of being raped by the opposite gender.

Even female on female rape is almost unheard of.

Men who say they are losing sleep over female rapists are nothing more than liars and mysoginist demagogues.

Last edited by thomas81 on 12 Feb 2014, 2:41 pm, edited 1 time in total.

No one is saying to ignore the rape of females, nor to treat the rape of males as more serious. Just saying that there is a large enough number of male victims to justify including them in the discourse.

I find it sad that those who seem most concerned about rape are so eager to dismiss the experiences of a significant percentage of them.

Then again, that's what happens when you come at it as though it were a "who has it worse" competition. It's the whole problem with being either feminist or an MRA, you become so focused on justifying the need for your movement and so invested in defending its ideology that you become blind to anything that might contradict it.

Whereas saying "strictly socially enforced gender roles suck, maybe in different ways for each group, but they still suck for everyone" allows one to focus on the people negatively affected. Puts the emphasis on people, not ideology.

Really? Cause I just posted a link to a bibliography of studies that prove you 100% completely wrong.

QUANTITIVE CONTEXT!

I'm not interested in a few cherry picked anomalies. If its such an issue, why aren't men carrying rape alarms and avoiding dark streets... ...oh i forgot its cause female rapists are as common as white tigers.

i think very few men have anything to fear from female rapists, least of all some of the manchildren that post on this forum.

Don't worry, you are safe as houses.

The worst is men raping men because that's the kind of crime most do not want to talk about or file a report on. It's the invisible crime.

They are not cherry picked anomalies, they are 19 seperate studies all of which say basically the same thing; men are more likely to sexually assault women, but the reverse also happens a very significant percentage of the time. We're talking 20-30% of the time. That is not a small number.

Again, I know it is done more often by men. That does not mean you get to deny the experiences of the enormous number of people who were victimized by women.

None of us said we lose sleep over it. None of us said the rape of a man was more common, or even common at all.
All you have done is shown unless rape is happening a lot to a specific kind of victim, you could care less about any of them.
No one gives a crap who is or who isn't. It is rape. None of it should happen.

the question shouldnt be whether or not female on male rape happens, the question should be if it happens with a great enough regularity for it to be a social rights issue. If not, it does a disservice to genuine social issues.

The 2 genders of rape cannot be homogenised in the way that you would seek because one is born of a fundamentally different institution. Aggression against women has been institutionalised to egregious levels by the media and by religion, that against men has not.

We are not at a stage where men are having to be careful where they go at night, or excercise the same level of caution as women for fear of being raped. Therefore, i am not convinced that F on M rape deserves qualified with the same regard as M on F rape.

Last edited by thomas81 on 12 Feb 2014, 3:16 pm, edited 1 time in total.

But what, exactly, would be so harmful about including male victims and female offenders in the discussion? I don't think rape of women will go up if we start saying "don't rape anyone" rather than "don't rape women" or if, for every dozen times we say "dressing a certain way doesn't mean she's asking for it" we threw in a "having a penis doesn't mean he's asking for it."

You are the only one in this discussion who thinks that acknowledging and providing support for one gender's problems automatically means taking away from the other.

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see my last edit.

Its a question of institutionalisation. There is no institutionalisation of physical or sexual aggression by women against men.

its therefore a misnomer to talk of female on male rape in the same breath as male on female rape. Its an insult to the idea of sexual equality and the eradication of abuse of women from society and popular culture.

I can't help but see that as just another version of "your experiences do not match the socially accepted gender roles so they, and you, do not count."

Dress it up however you like, it's still a sh***y thing to say.

You started this thread, I think, with the intention of demonstrating the ways in which women are oppressed with that video.  And if you had stopped there, it would have been fine.  I'm sure a few guys would have gotten pissy about it, but screw them.  But the title, with that "if" in it, and subsequent statements about how men aren't also being screwed by the rigid gender roles and how, if they are, it's their own fault is, like I said before, a giant middle finger to those who have.  How you could post that and not expect some backlash from those guys is beyond me.

Its not about dressing it up, its about the irreconcilable fact that rape against women, aggression against women is part and parcel of the abuse parroted by religion, by the media and particularly institutions like 'gonzo' porn. As much as you deny it or pretend otherwise, m on f rape is symptomatic of this.

Its chauvinist at best therefore, to play whatabboutery games of miniscule incidences compared to the vast power and influence of the anti women institutions.

What the video did, was turn the status quo on its head and expose in the cold day of light through the defensiveness it provoked the pissiness, immaturity and petulance of the MRA case.

Last edited by thomas81 on 12 Feb 2014, 3:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Then you do not care about men who have been raped, in any way.

Why is any rape a social rights issue? Rape anyone, male female or child, and you go to jail for life.
Simple as that. Rape of any kind is already illegal.

It is like denying a woman into an MMA school, or into combat roles in the military,
because she is a woman, and there are not many women in the room.

It is the attitudes of people like you thomas, that prevent help from reaching anyone. Not ours.
The only one who thinks men or women should be denied help after being raped is you.
Not I, not mds, not aspieotaku, but you.

If you would have never suggested men don't need help, even from time to time,
every single person debating this would be saying: "Oh yes thomas you are right!"
you had to critisize the rape of a male, for no reason.

Your talking to people who care just as much about females as you.
You seem to not realize that.

You can't equate every guy who tries to point out men's issues with the MRAs. I myself am absolutely not one.

I have expressed my utter contempt for them and their movement repeatedly on this board, and even in this very thread. And if it seems that I argue more often with feminists it is only because they are more numerous.

But you seem to have a black and white mentality. Either we are feminists or MRAs. Either we can help women or we can help men. And when anyone says "hey maybe we can help both" you take it as an attack on women and start a pointless "who has it worse" pissing contest.