why are feminist obsessed with Nice guys(TM)

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You're transgender? Did you ever consider, before you had your gender reassigned, that maybe your problem wasn't the gender that you were born with, but your own personality? Because I doubt things changed much once you got a penis.

OMG!! ! You misandric horrible person!

Nice guys (TM) should have an equivalent Nice girls (TM). You would definitely be a member, according to your standards.

Women tend to dislike the same guys who are unsuccessful in dating, yes...
think about it...
think about it...
think about it...
think about it...


Maybe they're unsuccessful at dating because women don't like them, rather than the other way around?!
Maybe women have good reason for not liking them?!

I don't believe you. Isn't it strange that I have never met a lasting relation between a girl and a nice guy, yet you know at least 4? Is it the case that it is you who do not see what's happening here?

See MP's post here for context:

really?
That's the best you can do, when confronted with actual bad male behavior?

thanks,you just prove my point.Feminist hate lonely,unsuccessful
dateless men.Because all lonely men are all the same,there
no such thing as a good liberal,pro feminist lonely male,their
all entitled a**hole jerks according to feminist.

Why weren't they the ones? No passion? Hmm...



Those are all true and not mutually exclusive. They are mutually agravating, though.


One point for the female chauvinist in you.



I don't believe you. Every woman has had this thought. Just as every guy has had this thought. You're either lying or confusing conscious, deliberate opinion with emotional impulse. However, misogyny, misandry, prejudice all start with emotional impulse.



I believe you contradicted yourself here. Two points for the misandric in you.



That's even worse! You're saying that you have the prejudice that men do the light work and women do the heavy work. AKA, men are lazy. Three points for the misandric in you.



Jesus christ! I'm talking to you. You were accusing me of being a male chauvinist and, therefore, not being a nice guy. I was trying to make you understand that you are also misandric. And that doesn't mean you're a bad person.

I don't know if you're being serrious or trying to make a joke. If it's a serious argument, it is a ridiculous observation. If it's a joke, it's a really lame one.

Oh jesus... It's a generalization you made. Therefore, a prejudice against men from you. Therefore you could never be a member of the nice girls, only the nice girls (TM), according to your own standards.

You don't even recognise the most basic point I'm making here: all people are prejudiced to all groups, including their own. It's a matter of degree. What matters for you as a person, in moral terms, is what you do with the prejudice. Therefore you and I can be good people and still be prejudiced.

I should point out,I don't have issues with women.
I have issues with feminist and hardcore leftist women.

That's not according to the original definition. The original definition of "friendzone" is simply having romantic feelings for a friend of the opposite gender while the friend doesn't feel the same way and/or doesn't know that their friend is in love them. It usually happens because for whatever reason, be it shyness, social ineptness or whatever, the person doesn't admit his/her feelings to the friend he/she is head over heels for. It is simply another term for unrequited love.

You can even infer this particular definition from the sitcom where it was originally coined. If you've ever watched the sitcom "Friends", you'd know Ross Geller was in love with his friend Rachel but he never had the courage to tell her, so consequently she continued to just be a friend to him simply because she didn't know. I think that there were also a few episodes that showed Rachel having the same feelings toward Ross but she never told him either. It was actually from this sitcom where the term "friendzone" originated from but when you actually look at it, the situation is not about being friends as an ulterior motive just to sleep with the other person as you put it. The friendship may be genuine but it simply means that you've also developed romantic feelings for the friend and for whatever reason, can't tell them about your feelings. It's simply another term for unrequited love with a friend of opposite gender. It is not limited to one gender either, women can also be "friendzoned" in this manner.

With the friend zoned thing. If you fancy someone and they just want be be your friend. That's just how it is.
You can't make them have feelings for you.

If they are leading you on and then rejecting you. They are not your friend at all. They are just using you as an ego boost. But most women don't do that. If they do that to you, you just leave them alone.

Bill I don't know a lot about feminism, but I do know feminists are not obsessed with Nice guys(TM). They are obsessed with gender equality.

You and other posters are getting a bit paranoid.

Being a nice guy is not something that is unattractive. If a nice guy is deemed unattractive it isn't because he is nice it's other reasons.

Most recently, the guy in question was a former marine who had done time in Iraq; he was also a very sweet man, who cooked for me and was able to intellectually challenge me in a way that few people are. Unfortunately, he needed more attention and affection than I, as an aspie, was able to give him. He quit returning my calls when I asked for a weekend to myself for an aikido seminar.
The guy before that was a successful attorney; I called it off because he had sour body odor.

In case you haven't noticed yet, you're bad at pretending to be psychic. Given that you're posting on a forum for people with asperger's, this should not come as a surprise to you.


How is it chauvinistic to expect men to clean up their own urine?


See what I wrote above regarding pretending to be psychic. I have never thought that all men are the same; I have never thought that all women are the same; I have never thought that all dogs or all spiders or all goldfish are the same. I have thought that they have some commonalities (some of those groups more than others), but I have literally never thought, "all men are the same," nor have I had the impulse to treat men as if they are interchangeable.
You may not believe it, but that does not prevent it from being true. Thankfully solipsism does not control reality.


No; I'm saying that men and women are perfectly capable of being friends, and that the men who use the term "friendzone" are the ones who don't believe this. Work on your reading comprehension, dear.

I have statistics to back me up. US Women, on average, commit more temporal resources to child-rearing than men do; in addition, US women's time tends to consist of more unpleasant duties like diaper changing, laundry, caring for the sick, etc. and men tend to get more pleasant duties like attending soccer games. If you have a problem with that statement, then you have a problem with the research, not with me.

Seriously, you need to think more rationally about this rather than jumping around emotionally and calling people names.


See above. Please cite where I called you a "male chauvinist."

Being either misogynist or misandrist are characteristics that would classify someone as a bad person, in my eyes.
Your problem is that you make up stuff in your own head and think that it actually represents what goes on in other people's heads.

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If you're in a vulnerable position and a guy is coming on really strong in a very uncomfortable way and you're not sure if standing up for yourself would make things better or if it would just make things worse, then you may just try to let him down gently, say nice things while trying to duck away, etc.; unfortunately, he may choose to take the gentleness as leading him on.

Not a joke. You said, quoted above, that you have "...dealt with this crap {your}self." If you've dealt with women's emotions and thoughts yourself, that means that you were a woman; your profile now lists you as male. Therefore, transgender.
Now you're saying that you're not transgender? Weren't you, then, lying when you said that you've dealt with being a woman?



No, darling. A generalization is something different. That was citing actual behavior that I have seen on this forum, more than once.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona ... ralization


"Prejudice" is, literally, judging before evidence or experience. In this case, I am citing actual experience and cannot thus be considered "prejudiced" here.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona ... 1394259670

Even if that were true, it is a false dichotomy.
http://www.philosophy-index.com/logic/f ... ilemma.php
If you want to find some awful female stereotype to label me with, try "b***h" or "ice queen," as either would be more accurate.

I don't agree.