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22 Apr 2014, 9:57 pm

Japan has Sony. And Honda.

You gonna tell me I need to buy some texas instrument, or some generator made by a company that makes tractors in wisconsin? Forget about it.

I might as well throw rocks, and rub two sticks together.



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22 Apr 2014, 10:02 pm

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O.k. that was enjoyable. :P . So, do you have any solutions? Because I just work. Apparently that is not good enough. Maybe I should run for mayor. Can you?


Solutions? Yeah, the government should seize the property of wealthy ex patriots who give up their citizenship to escape taxation, and that includes whatever business they own. The government should bring back said business to this country, and reemploy Americans, even if that company for a time is run at a loss.
There should be legal penalties to encourage industry from leaving American shores, as those businesses are a public necessity for the welfare of American citizens.
Companies should be encouraged, or even taught, that their best interest isn't short term profit, but that long term investment in their own country will benefit everyone. That way, business will have grown a market on American shores who will buy their products. This is hardly a fancy of the far left, as it was the business plan of Henry Ford and the early auto industry.
Stop giving up new technology to China, Japan, or some other country. What electronics is made in America anymore? We invented DVD players, cell phones, computers, etc, but just let foreign industry take over their production.
Cut this idiocy that corporations are people, or that money is speech. The reasons why the people are losing their power in this country is because big business is stealing it right out from under them.
You wanted to know what I'd do. I am hardly an economist, and I never claimed to understand how the business world works. This is just what I think would be good for America.


The long and short of it is that you'd like for no one to be allowed to leave the country and renounced their citizenship without reprisals. (iron curtain effect)
No one is allowed to "encourage" industry from leaving American shores. (freedom of speech gone)
Essentially, there is no free enterprise in your world. Why not just skip to right state run factories and GUM department stores since that worked so well for the USSR.
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You seriously see nothing wrong with the super rich renouncing their citizenship to avoid taxation? Or for that their companies leaving Americans destitute?
And money isn't free speech. It just allows more power to be in the hands of the rich.


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22 Apr 2014, 10:04 pm

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Japan has Sony. And Honda.

You gonna tell me I need to buy some texas instrument, or some generator made by a company that makes tractors in wisconsin? Forget about it.

I might as well throw rocks, and rub two sticks together.


I'm saying we should never have let our technological edge go.


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22 Apr 2014, 10:04 pm

many americans are perfectly ok with rich folks' misbehavior because they naively see themselves as being able to join them in the fun some day.



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22 Apr 2014, 10:08 pm

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You seriously see nothing wrong with the super rich renouncing their citizenship to avoid taxation? Or for that their companies leaving Americans destitute?
And money isn't free speech. It just allows more power to be in the hands of the rich.

Wrong with it? Yes, but I believe it to be equally wrong to go totalitarian over it.


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22 Apr 2014, 10:11 pm

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You seriously see nothing wrong with the super rich renouncing their citizenship to avoid taxation? Or for that their companies leaving Americans destitute?
And money isn't free speech. It just allows more power to be in the hands of the rich.

Wrong with it? Yes, but I believe it to be equally wrong to go totalitarian over it.


What do you propose we do then?


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22 Apr 2014, 10:39 pm

I don't think there is anything any one person can do. There are several individuals and organizations that are making positive changes here and there. Although I resent being part of the system, I am optimistic that the U.S. and humanity will make the changes necessary for our species to survive. The reason I am optimistic is because our system is designed for people to freely debate issues. U.S. history has shown that we usually do the right thing when the situation gets desperate enough. It is just a messy process because of the adversarial nature of our political system.

What I am doing is working at a minimum wage jot outside my field while looking for better paying work elsewhere. I am working hard not spend all my savings so that I will have the money to relocate because living where I live is economic suicide for me. I stay up-to-date on political events. I am going to get active in the Democratic Party to help make sure people who believe in regulation and a strong safety net are elected to office. A really important election is coming up in my state. I want to do more than vote because voting has very little effect. I also write my congressman about issues that are important to me. They listen to large outcries from the their constituents because they want to get re-elected. I am also pursuing a career that will help improve the lives of mentally ill people. It ain't saving the world, but it makes life a little bit better for people. I'm using the gifts I was given by my creator to help people because I know life is hard. If somebody didn't help me (a person with chronic mental illness) I wouldn't even be alive today, let alone have a college degree and a career.



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22 Apr 2014, 10:49 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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You seriously see nothing wrong with the super rich renouncing their citizenship to avoid taxation? Or for that their companies leaving Americans destitute?
And money isn't free speech. It just allows more power to be in the hands of the rich.

Wrong with it? Yes, but I believe it to be equally wrong to go totalitarian over it.


What do you propose we do then?


So you're actually defending taking totalitarian steps to fix this problem?
Do you know what is meant by Pandora's box?

There probably isn't s**t we can do about it without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.


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22 Apr 2014, 10:59 pm

that baby is deceased and the bathwater is toxic.



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22 Apr 2014, 11:09 pm

The super rich are throwing there money all over the place. It is a luxury. That is what they do, because they are super rich. You may be listening to too much Alex Jones or something. I hope you don't start telling me that the Atlantean, Mason, Babylonian, Illuminatian, super duper powerful, 13 family, Macdonald land people are going to take over Disney World, and controll the world from the Epcott Center.



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22 Apr 2014, 11:11 pm

so you say we should just lie down and let the morlocks eat us?



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22 Apr 2014, 11:15 pm

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The super rich are throwing there money all over the place. It is a luxury. That is what they do, because they are super rich. You may be listening to too much Alex Jones or something. I hope you don't start telling me that the Atlantean, Mason, Babylonian, Illuminatian, super duper powerful, 13 family, Macdonald land people are going to take over Disney World, and controll the world from the Epcott Center.


I don't listen to Alex Jones anymore than I listen to his imitator, Glen Beck.
And the rich are doing more than just throwing their money around, they're using it to specifically hoard all political and economic power at our expense.


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22 Apr 2014, 11:19 pm

Raptor wrote:
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You seriously see nothing wrong with the super rich renouncing their citizenship to avoid taxation? Or for that their companies leaving Americans destitute?
And money isn't free speech. It just allows more power to be in the hands of the rich.

Wrong with it? Yes, but I believe it to be equally wrong to go totalitarian over it.


What do you propose we do then?


So you're actually defending taking totalitarian steps to fix this problem?
Do you know what is meant by Pandora's box?

There probably isn't sh** we can do about it without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.


I hardly think what I'm proposing is all that totalitarian. Rather, it's a matter of ordinary people getting fed up with the rich and powerful stepping on us, and are ready to push back against that foot coming down on us.


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22 Apr 2014, 11:30 pm

Have you been reading your well worn dog-eared copy of Das Kapital again? :shameonyou:


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22 Apr 2014, 11:38 pm

it seems that half of the working class looks down on the other half of the working class, IOW half are deluded into thinking they are headed upwards and will soon be overlords, and so they scorn the downwardly mobile half of working classers for being living evidence that it just ain't happenin' anytime soon. talk of "defending the working class against the depredations of the rich" only angers these Richie-rich worshippers who just wanna turn their backs on their fellows thinking it will curry favor among the upper class they so admire. IOW, "east is east, west is west, and never the twain shall meet." there is just no communicating with these people.



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22 Apr 2014, 11:50 pm

/\ You mean the half of the working class that's willing to work looks down on the other half that isn't? Gee, I wonder why......


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