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14 Dec 2014, 5:44 am

I used to hate them and was planning to try to find another job. I think it might have been that quote that I posted earlier that made me reconsider, and try to just persevere.

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Zen Gardner: Oh, you don't like Jewish people. Jewish people aren't equal to us. Don't you know how tortured they were for so long? Well lady, you know what, if you knew why they were chased out of country by country maybe you'd have a different attitude. Why they were kicked out of every country they went into because they were trying to screw it.

Henrik: The analogy of the man that seeks different partners in life and his marriages keep breaking up. And he's like "that woman wasn't that great. She had some issues, psychological issues. And then something was wrong with the next one, physicality wise, or I wasn't attracted to her, whatever." It's like, marriage after marriage fails. After 20, 30, 40 wives, 50, 60, 100 wives, at what point are you gonna begin to question the man in the relationship and say maybe there's something there that's wrong. Maybe he has an issue. Maybe it's not all these women that have an issue.

Zen Gardner: Exactly. There's a famous story of a guy. It's probably a different scenario but, this guy drives into a little small town and he stops at the gas station. He's looking for a town to move to. He asked the attendant "What are the people like here like?" And the attendant says "Well, what were they like where you came from?" He says "Ah, they were all smarmy, stinky, ugly, stupid, you know, they were awful." And the guy says to him "You know, they're gonna be the same way here for you."


Because I have been just like that in life, jumped from place to place, abandoned one person after another, one thing after another, out of hatred or inability to forgive, to the point that I am the depressed hopeless loser that I am, having painted myself into a corner. I do think there is a greater purpose with it though, because I see it as a blessing. A blessing that I think that my workmates, and most people (including most aspies), don't have.



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14 Dec 2014, 8:21 am

I was really impressed by Nightcrawler actually, and as I said I think it's quite amazing how much that movie relates to this thread. Another thing is the fearless go-getter mentality of the main character. That is something I see a lot in Muslims. Sure, they aren't generally like him, psychopath or whatever he is, but my workmates for example have that fearlessness much more than I do, and the underlying desires that drives it. It's very interesting to think about how this relates to sex, and politics, and other things. I talked a bit about right and left in politics. Quite clearly there seems to be a huge element of rightist philosophy in the main character of the movie, just as in Muslims and Islam. Just like Muslims the main character knows what to kick down on in order to proceed on his climb upward. Then it's interesting to see how leftist philosophies creep into society and how mentally inhibited it makes people gradually. Makes me wonder if the policies affected the humans or if the humans affected the policies, if you know what I'm getting at. Bit of both probably. As for me "pissing" or whatever they said in a post previously in the thread, I don't know if I did that, maybe I did. I'm not in the best mood perhaps. I don't know, it's hard to observe yourself as from without. I have been banned a lot from forums so I guess I might have a problem perhaps. Or maybe not. I think about it.

There were some parts of the movie that weren't all that good though in my opinion. Like one scene where they played that typical sentimental romantic or whatever kind of s**t music that they often do in Hollywood movies for some reason. They could have skipped that.



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14 Dec 2014, 8:31 am

It was a bit weird how the movie mixed some form of dark disturbed horror thriller with pieces of silly comedy.



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14 Dec 2014, 9:45 am

You could always wield a porkchop to them, like a sword.

Jokes apart, maybe you should stop considering Muslims like a bunch of apes who think all the same way.

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I personally believe that attachment to others, love, is lack of enlightenment.

I don't see any enlightment in your words though, and you have written a lot of them.

P.S.: Probably your workmates are just a**holes, which is a very common race who took over the world long ago.



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15 Dec 2014, 6:13 pm

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Sometimes though my workmates are such total a**holes, and they can flip from nice to a**holes seemingly for no reason. A lot of times I even wonder if they are real, that's how unpredictable they are. A lot of times I feel like they are just a computer simulation or something similar.
One of these days, you will realize something very important.

It's not you. It's them.

The seeming unpredictability of your coworkers is due to the fact that they have drama and BS at home to deal with, families, relationships, and other crap. Most of them, really, are incompetent at dealing with these things.

They realize there is a weird guy on their job, and people have a weird Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde way of dealing with people, in their lives, who are...different. On a good day, they try to be nice to the weird guy out of charity of their nature. On a bad day, they "don't have time" for "the weird guy," and "the weird guy" ends up being the outlet for how much they hate their lives.

So...when your coworkers are being jerks, just keep in mind that they are imperfect human beings. They are morally fallible. They make mistakes. They misjudge your intentions, and you are not exactly an easy person to understand; you have a complex and dark personality. They are not really as competent as they pretend to be at dealing with their drama-ridden lives. These overgrown children, if you intend to coexist with them, require patience. They need someone present to be a responsible adult.



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16 Dec 2014, 8:52 am

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Those of us from the "white" countries are beneficiaries of the fact that our ancestors learned to accept ideas from other cultures and became an open society. Before that, we lost a third of our populace to a single plague, so determined were we to live in our own squalor.


Are you saying that the social attitudes of medieval Europeans were somehow to blame for the huge numbers of Europeans that died from the plague? If so, how do you figure that?

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We slaughtered billions of our sons in meaningless wars.


True enough - World War 2 being one of the more recent examples.

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Europeans live as prosperously as they do because of a long love affair with the human race, nothing more and nothing less. It is justified love. Ideas flowing in from other cultures, in our new openness, brought us healing and new life.


Europeans have given non-Europeans more in terms of life-prolonging and prosperity-enhancing medicine and technology than we have received from non-Europeans - not that we'll ever get thanked for it.



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16 Dec 2014, 9:49 am

Rollo wrote:
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Are you saying that the social attitudes of medieval Europeans were somehow to blame for the huge numbers of Europeans that died from the plague? If so, how do you figure that?
Yep. For one thing, people tended to turn to superstition rather than legitimate inquiry. They attacked scapegoats, such as the Jews, instead of choosing to take an empowered view. The fact that they were so frequently at war impeded the diffusion of materials and knowledge.

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Europeans have given non-Europeans more in terms of life-prolonging and prosperity-enhancing medicine and technology than we have received from non-Europeans - not that we'll ever get thanked for it.
Actually, that is a recent development. We've been the center of global prosperity for a shockingly brief portion of history, since the fall of Antiquity. While we waxed and waned in our level of ignorance and self-destructive stupidity during the Middle Ages, the rest of the world went on without us, starting with the rise of the Gupta Empire in India.

What happened to the Arabs is actually quite similar to what happened to the Europeans. The Arabs were struck by some pretty awful invasions particularly by the Mongols. Just to be clear on the level of devastation incurred by the Mongols, they actually slaughtered the entire population of the ancient city of Assur, the name of which is related to that of the Zoroastrian god. Before that, they sacked Baghdad. Effectively, the world's most ancient civilization had been destroyed.

Like what happened to us, the Arabs did not handle this very well. They became violently anti-intellectual, including the circulation of such ideas as Incoherence of the Philosophers, by al-Ghazali. Some members of their society tried desperately to counter this trend, and Averrhoes in particular wrote a counter-thesis called The Incoherence of the Incoherence.

The man who is known as the founder of modern Western secular thought, Averrhoes, was a Muslim. This is what ultimately brought us out of the Dark Ages. It might be that the Muslims went completely bonkers, but a Muslim happens to have been a person who helped shake Europe out of its own delirium.

Nevertheless, I am justified in despising the current state of Arabic society. I do not buy the idea of "cultural relativism." They are living like debased white trash, and what is most enraging about it is that I know they are capable of better. I don't see them as some oppressed group. More often, I see them, in their own countries, as oppressors. They are openly racist, and they are not even conscious of the fact that their attitudes toward the Jews constitute racism at all.

Many westerners are so stupidly determined to regard the Arabs as victims of white oppression, they cannot see how much like their own ancestors the Arabs really are, in every ugly detail.

Some people would call me "intolerant" because I openly criticize Arabic society. I openly criticize western society, though, and I am even more rude when I am taking my own people to task.

I just see the current state of Arabic society as no more extraordinary than some of the things our own ancestors have done. I cannot read about the actions of ISIS without recounting what I have learned about the war of my grandfather's time.

If I can be said to be "Islamophobic," then that is only because nothing terrifies me more than a gaze that is so much like that of my own brutal ancestors looking back at me. I cannot both recognize how much like us the Islamic peoples are and not be horrified and appalled by them. The fact that I see my brother when I see an Arab is the part that is alarming.



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16 Dec 2014, 10:06 am

Rollo wrote:
Persimmonpudding wrote:
Those of us from the "white" countries are beneficiaries of the fact that our ancestors learned to accept ideas from other cultures and became an open society. Before that, we lost a third of our populace to a single plague, so determined were we to live in our own squalor.


Are you saying that the social attitudes of medieval Europeans were somehow to blame for the huge numbers of Europeans that died from the plague? If so, how do you figure that?


There was a social attitude of the medieval Europeans that did directly lead to many of them dying from the plague.

http://cats.about.com/od/societyandcats/a/thecat_2.htm

They were very suspicious of cats and considered them evil and familiars of witches.

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In Europe, black cats became affiliated with evil. Because cats are nocturnal and roam at night, they were believed to be supernatural servants of witches, or even witches themselves. Although the black cat was initially targeted, all cats fell into disfavor. The common phrase " witch hunt" arose from the fanatical fervor with which witches and their "familiars" were searched down, tortured until they confessed their sins, and killed, usually by burning at the stake.

The Middle Ages was, indeed, a dark period in history for the cat, as cats were systematically condemned, hunted down and killed on sight. But it was a good time for rats.


They killed the cats which enabled the rats which enabled the fleas which enabled the plague. It's a straight line from kill cats>>>>die of plague.



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16 Dec 2014, 11:50 am

^^^
As a cat lover, all I can say about people dying because they had allowed the rat population to increase because they had killed their cats is... SERVES THE BASTARDS RIGHT!


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16 Dec 2014, 12:11 pm

At least the cats got their revenge....


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16 Dec 2014, 12:54 pm

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When I think about it bullying as a phenomenon appears to go closely hand-in-hand with Muslim philosophy. Because I think bullying serves a purpose. It could be argued that the lack of bullying is the real cause of a lot of mental problems on individual and societal level. This is related to right and left in politics. The lack of bullying, leftism, liberalism, is in my view closely connected to Jewish philosophy. I don't take a stand either way. I find it very interesting.


You just said something really intelligent. I agree, because I have been bullied, whether it was by a nerd or jock, during most of my childhood. Right now, about everybody sees me as a neuro-typical person, even though I am not.



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16 Dec 2014, 3:54 pm

trollcatman wrote:
At least the cats got their revenge....


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Damn right!


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