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28 Jan 2015, 1:49 am

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28 Jan 2015, 2:53 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

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DentArthurDent wrote:

^ I find this really offensive and at the same time really asinine. I have a great deal of evidence that my mother exists, in fact anyone who has ever lived has a great deal of evidence for the existence of their mother or at the the very least the existence of the originator of their egg.

What about your great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grand mother .... Did she walk the earth ?

You will say yes, but scientifically speaking you have no idea.

I can't prove the existence of God using science. But using logic and reasoning I can get myself to believe in God.

Well, as I walk the earth, I'm therefore pretty certain that my several times removed great grandmother did so as well.

Well, as I exist, therefore God exists.

It would be absurd to deny the existence of God, no ?

That's a matter for faith, not logic.

No it's not. I'm using the exact same logic as you.

How? I'm just saying I wouldn't exist if my remote ancestor hadn't.

And where did your remote ancestor come from ? Evolved from some kind of bacteria ? Where did bacteria come from ? Where did the Universe come from ? Random big bang ? I'm sorry but explosions cause chaos and destruction, not dinosaurs.

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28 Jan 2015, 2:59 am

sophisticated wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

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Kraichgauer wrote:

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DentArthurDent wrote:

Well, as I walk the earth, I'm therefore pretty certain that my several times removed great grandmother did so as well.

Well, as I exist, therefore God exists.

It would be absurd to deny the existence of God, no ?

That's a matter for faith, not logic.

No it's not. I'm using the exact same logic as you.

How? I'm just saying I wouldn't exist if my remote ancestor hadn't.

Who says I don't believe in God? Because I most certainly do. But the fact remains, I know about the Big Bang as a fact of science, but I know God through faith.

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28 Jan 2015, 3:24 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

DentArthurDent wrote:

Well, as I walk the earth, I'm therefore pretty certain that my several times removed great grandmother did so as well.

Well, as I exist, therefore God exists.

It would be absurd to deny the existence of God, no ?

That's a matter for faith, not logic.

No it's not. I'm using the exact same logic as you.

How? I'm just saying I wouldn't exist if my remote ancestor hadn't.

Who says I don't believe in God? Because I most certainly do. But the fact remains, I know about the Big Bang as a fact of science, but I know God through faith.

M'kay , you believe in God. That's good.

But you shouldn't be afraid to say that you know God exists. You don't say you know your distant ancestor through faith do you ?

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28 Jan 2015, 3:40 am

^^^

I just wanna say.. i love the poetic expression..

of the ending form of all of that above.. and so below..

IT truly reminds me of the synchronistic flow of GOD..

everywHere... even on the InterNet..

where most people do not see GOD go......

The secrets of GOD ARE in plain sight..

for those with eyes and ears..

that see the light

in all that

goes.....

as

is....

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28 Jan 2015, 3:55 am

I'm agnostic and willing to convert to any religion that has the power and inclination to burn me at the stake if I don't.

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28 Jan 2015, 3:57 am

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I'm agnostic and willing to convert to any religion that has the power and inclination to burn me at the stake if I don't.

True, there's no sense in fighting city hall.

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28 Jan 2015, 6:23 am

sophisticated wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

DentArthurDent wrote:

Well, as I walk the earth, I'm therefore pretty certain that my several times removed great grandmother did so as well.

Well, as I exist, therefore God exists.

It would be absurd to deny the existence of God, no ?

That's a matter for faith, not logic.

No it's not. I'm using the exact same logic as you.

How? I'm just saying I wouldn't exist if my remote ancestor hadn't.

Who says I don't believe in God? Because I most certainly do. But the fact remains, I know about the Big Bang as a fact of science, but I know God through faith.

M'kay , you believe in God. That's good.

But you shouldn't be afraid to say that you know God exists. You don't say you know your distant ancestor through faith do you ?

But there is a definite difference between believing something, and knowing it. I believe in God, despite the fact that logic can't prove his existence, whereas I know my remote ancestor had existed because logically I wouldn't otherwise exist. I don't know which religious tradition you belong to, but as a Lutheran, I was taught early on that the realms of faith and logic are best not to be mixed.

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28 Jan 2015, 7:58 am

sophisticated wrote:

Chaos and destruction can do great things. Many useful chemical reactions require large amounts of energy. Disturbance in natural environments causes animals to adapt and speciesate.

Look up at the sky. That big ball of nuclear fusion? It is slowly spewing out lithium. Elsewhere in the universe, there are stars spewing out all the other elements. Eventually, these elements naturally form compounds, and these compounds react to form more energetically-favourable compounds like amino acids, and lipids. These compounds eventually can form structures that make forming energetically favourable compounds... more energetically favourable! That's life.

We know quite a bit about how elements are formed. We're a bit shakier on getting from elements to compounds, and shakier still on producing complex compounds like proteins, but we're learning more and more.

Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean a god did it - indeed, every respectable church has realised that by now and is moving away from it. They know that your line of argument leads to a god being less likely when another explanation is found.

Regardless, how can you hope to know anything of this Prime Mover's character?

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28 Jan 2015, 8:33 am

As always, when it comes to humans, to define GOD in human paradigms only, is simply ignorance...

To truly understand that can be divine..

And FRIGGING common sense...

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28 Jan 2015, 1:17 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

DentArthurDent wrote:

Well, as I walk the earth, I'm therefore pretty certain that my several times removed great grandmother did so as well.

Well, as I exist, therefore God exists.

It would be absurd to deny the existence of God, no ?

That's a matter for faith, not logic.

No it's not. I'm using the exact same logic as you.

How? I'm just saying I wouldn't exist if my remote ancestor hadn't.

Who says I don't believe in God? Because I most certainly do. But the fact remains, I know about the Big Bang as a fact of science, but I know God through faith.

M'kay , you believe in God. That's good.

But you shouldn't be afraid to say that you know God exists. You don't say you know your distant ancestor through faith do you ?

But there is a definite difference between believing something, and knowing it. I believe in God, despite the fact that logic can't prove his existence, whereas I know my remote ancestor had existed because logically I wouldn't otherwise exist. I don't know which religious tradition you belong to, but as a Lutheran, I was taught early on that the realms of faith and logic are best not to be mixed.

And logically you wouldnt exist without a primum movens.

Think about it.

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28 Jan 2015, 1:22 pm

^^^

Truly again.. an expanding work of art..

Not possible if the

previous CLOSED

minded moderators

still directed rules against art!

in totally free human expression!

Intended or not..

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28 Jan 2015, 1:39 pm

sophisticated wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

DentArthurDent wrote:

Well, as I walk the earth, I'm therefore pretty certain that my several times removed great grandmother did so as well.

Well, as I exist, therefore God exists.

It would be absurd to deny the existence of God, no ?

That's a matter for faith, not logic.

No it's not. I'm using the exact same logic as you.

How? I'm just saying I wouldn't exist if my remote ancestor hadn't.

Who says I don't believe in God? Because I most certainly do. But the fact remains, I know about the Big Bang as a fact of science, but I know God through faith.

M'kay , you believe in God. That's good.

But you shouldn't be afraid to say that you know God exists. You don't say you know your distant ancestor through faith do you ?

And logically you wouldnt exist without a primum movens.

Think about it.

If you want to believe you can encapsulate God in logic, go ahead, but I consider that a matter of faith.

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29 Jan 2015, 10:41 am

sophisticated wrote:

And logically you wouldnt exist without a primum movens.

Think about it.

What caused the first cause?

Would it not make more sense for there to be no Prime Mover, and rather an infinite regression of causes?

But let's say you're right and there was a first cause. There's no reason to believe it was a deity. Indeed, the evidence we currently have indicates that it wasn't.

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29 Jan 2015, 11:12 am

sophisticated wrote:

...And where did your remote ancestor come from ? Evolved from some kind of bacteria ?...

Yes. Exactly that. That is where all life came from. It really isn't that complicated; my children understand it.

It doesn't matter if you believe in Evolution or not. It just matters if you understand why it is true or not.

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29 Jan 2015, 11:20 am

The spark of life came from God. He created the sky, the waters, the sea and water creatures (including reptiles and amphibians), the birds, the land, the mammals, and humans. Where else is there life? People argue that the spark of life came about because earth is a closed system but energy doesn't create life on it's own. You can't put sunlight on a dead plant and make it come alive or heat a rock and make it breathe. Where did the spark of life come from? It came from God.

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