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15 Feb 2015, 2:00 am

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Guns are tools, and it's up to the person who has one to decide what they do with it. They may be slightly deadlier than your average tools, as they expel chunks of metal at a high velocity, but they are still tools first and foremost. I support responsible gun usage and ownership.

This may sound like crazy talk coming from someone who generally regards themselves as being on the left side of the political spectrum, but I'm a big believer in personal liberties. I'm on the left because I care about having a social safety net, so that those of us who are at a disadvantage in society aren't forced to sink or swim. I'd be a hypocrite otherwise, since I'm receiving government assistance after being deemed "unemployable" by a neuropsychologist's assessment.


It might surprise you but even as a hate-filled jackbooted conservaive I believe in a social safety net, too.
A net to help the unfortunate, though, and not a hammock for slackers to lounge on.


Problem with that is, by the conservative definition anyone in need of help is a slacker using the safety net as a "hammock."


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15 Feb 2015, 2:03 am

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Guns are tools, and it's up to the person who has one to decide what they do with it. They may be slightly deadlier than your average tools, as they expel chunks of metal at a high velocity, but they are still tools first and foremost. I support responsible gun usage and ownership.

This may sound like crazy talk coming from someone who generally regards themselves as being on the left side of the political spectrum, but I'm a big believer in personal liberties. I'm on the left because I care about having a social safety net, so that those of us who are at a disadvantage in society aren't forced to sink or swim. I'd be a hypocrite otherwise, since I'm receiving government assistance after being deemed "unemployable" by a neuropsychologist's assessment.


It might surprise you but even as a hate-filled jackbooted conservaive I believe in a social safety net, too.
A net to help the unfortunate, though, and not a hammock for slackers to lounge on.


I see what you mean. You're definitely more well-informed than most self-identified conservatives. I respect that.



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15 Feb 2015, 2:06 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Guns aren't going anywhere. To say otherwise is just right wing propaganda to keep the crackers hating liberals.


So, you consider those who are pro gun ownership to be crackers??


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15 Feb 2015, 2:11 am

I think more focus should be on our mental health system, doing a better job of isolating those prone to criminal insanity - more than once a mass shooter had obvious signs that were ignored for a variety of reasons - and controlling bad ideas. The latter is particularly important since gun control is often used as a way to overlook our responsibilities in contributing to bad ideas that could at least assist in inspiring these kinds of murders. If it is unfair to blame athiests, Christians, Muslims, socialists, conservatives and others when a select portion goes on shooting rampages, putting the blame on the majority of gun owners and gun rights advocates is doubly unfair.



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15 Feb 2015, 2:13 am

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Guns aren't going anywhere. To say otherwise is just right wing propaganda to keep the crackers hating liberals.


It is paranoid to believe that there even could be a nationwide gun confiscation. However, legislation to incrementally attack firearms by type and feature is a real threat and a stepping stone to attacks on other firearms, ammuniton, places to shoot, etc.....


I might concede that point, if you concede that voter ID laws are just voter suppression laws.


They most certainly are NOT suppression laws! Without having to show ID whats to stop someone else from voting multiple times at multiple polling places under other's names to give their candidate an unfair lead? Considering that anyone can get a picture ID for a low cost how in the world is requiring an ID a suppression tool?

I'm sure you'd feel very differently if you were to show up to vote and find out that your name was already crossed off and the person who had used it and signed for you had signed on the republican logbook. You would be fit to be tied and screaming to the media about how your vote was stolen by an evil conservative. You'd probably never get over it.


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15 Feb 2015, 2:14 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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Guns aren't going anywhere. To say otherwise is just right wing propaganda to keep the crackers hating liberals.


It is paranoid to believe that there even could be a nationwide gun confiscation. However, legislation to incrementally attack firearms by type and feature is a real threat and a stepping stone to attacks on other firearms, ammuniton, places to shoot, etc.....


I might concede that point, if you concede that voter ID laws are just voter suppression laws.


I seem to remember that in so many words I've made that offer before but you insisted on having your cake and eating it, too. Besides, I doubt you'd stick to it for long and reverse yourself in the next gunz-r-bad thread.


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15 Feb 2015, 2:16 am

Raptor wrote:
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Raptor wrote:
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Guns aren't going anywhere. To say otherwise is just right wing propaganda to keep the crackers hating liberals.


It is paranoid to believe that there even could be a nationwide gun confiscation. However, legislation to incrementally attack firearms by type and feature is a real threat and a stepping stone to attacks on other firearms, ammuniton, places to shoot, etc.....


I might concede that point, if you concede that voter ID laws are just voter suppression laws.


I seem to remember that in so many words I've made that offer before but you insisted on having your cake and eating it, too. Besides, I doubt you'd stick to it for long and reverse yourself in the next gunz-r-bad thread.


Regardless, I still ask: well?


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15 Feb 2015, 2:18 am

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Guns aren't going anywhere. To say otherwise is just right wing propaganda to keep the crackers hating liberals.


So, you consider those who are pro gun ownership to be crackers??


No, not at all. I'm talking about those people who are manipulated by the right by their own willful ignorance. As a matter of fact, my dad had been a gun owner.


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15 Feb 2015, 2:21 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
Guns are tools, and it's up to the person who has one to decide what they do with it. They may be slightly deadlier than your average tools, as they expel chunks of metal at a high velocity, but they are still tools first and foremost. I support responsible gun usage and ownership.

This may sound like crazy talk coming from someone who generally regards themselves as being on the left side of the political spectrum, but I'm a big believer in personal liberties. I'm on the left because I care about having a social safety net, so that those of us who are at a disadvantage in society aren't forced to sink or swim. I'd be a hypocrite otherwise, since I'm receiving government assistance after being deemed "unemployable" by a neuropsychologist's assessment.


It might surprise you but even as a hate-filled jackbooted conservaive I believe in a social safety net, too.
A net to help the unfortunate, though, and not a hammock for slackers to lounge on.


Problem with that is, by the conservative definition anyone in need of help is a slacker using the safety net as a "hammock."

:roll:
Which is opposite of what I said.
You're so partisan that you can't see anything but 100% liberal or 100% conservaive on any matter.


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15 Feb 2015, 2:29 am

Raptor wrote:
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Raptor wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
Guns are tools, and it's up to the person who has one to decide what they do with it. They may be slightly deadlier than your average tools, as they expel chunks of metal at a high velocity, but they are still tools first and foremost. I support responsible gun usage and ownership.

This may sound like crazy talk coming from someone who generally regards themselves as being on the left side of the political spectrum, but I'm a big believer in personal liberties. I'm on the left because I care about having a social safety net, so that those of us who are at a disadvantage in society aren't forced to sink or swim. I'd be a hypocrite otherwise, since I'm receiving government assistance after being deemed "unemployable" by a neuropsychologist's assessment.


It might surprise you but even as a hate-filled jackbooted conservaive I believe in a social safety net, too.
A net to help the unfortunate, though, and not a hammock for slackers to lounge on.


Problem with that is, by the conservative definition anyone in need of help is a slacker using the safety net as a "hammock."

:roll:
Which is opposite of what I said.
You're so partisan that you can't see anything but 100% liberal or 100% conservaive on any matter.


Oh, no, I understood what you said. My point is, the right will always make the needy out to be slackers, whether you personally hold to that viewpoint or not.


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15 Feb 2015, 2:30 am

OliveOilMom wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
^^^
Guns aren't going anywhere. To say otherwise is just right wing propaganda to keep the crackers hating liberals.


So, you consider those who are pro gun ownership to be crackers??


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No, not at all. I'm talking about those people who are manipulated by the right by their own willful ignorance.

Which are not at all unlike those people who are manipulated by the left by their own willful ignorance. There is no shortage of manipulation or ignorance on either side.

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As a matter of fact, my dad had been a gun owner.

Really trying to get in bed with the WP pro-gun crowd tonight, eh?


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15 Feb 2015, 2:36 am

IMHO, the left/right political dichotomy is deeply flawed, and it doesn't even describe half of the different political orientations that exist. By trying to conform to this scale, it just causes issues for people.

I used to describe myself as a "liberal who likes guns", but I eventually came to realize that a more accurate description for myself would be "socialist libertarian", as it describes my position on individual rights, and on economic policy.

The two-axis system, which some of us may be familiar with, works much better. I myself am somewhere in the bottom-left corner, on this system. :P



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15 Feb 2015, 2:36 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
Guns are tools, and it's up to the person who has one to decide what they do with it. They may be slightly deadlier than your average tools, as they expel chunks of metal at a high velocity, but they are still tools first and foremost. I support responsible gun usage and ownership.

This may sound like crazy talk coming from someone who generally regards themselves as being on the left side of the political spectrum, but I'm a big believer in personal liberties. I'm on the left because I care about having a social safety net, so that those of us who are at a disadvantage in society aren't forced to sink or swim. I'd be a hypocrite otherwise, since I'm receiving government assistance after being deemed "unemployable" by a neuropsychologist's assessment.


It might surprise you but even as a hate-filled jackbooted conservaive I believe in a social safety net, too.
A net to help the unfortunate, though, and not a hammock for slackers to lounge on.


Problem with that is, by the conservative definition anyone in need of help is a slacker using the safety net as a "hammock."

:roll:
Which is opposite of what I said.
You're so partisan that you can't see anything but 100% liberal or 100% conservaive on any matter.


Oh, no, I understood what you said. My point is, the right will always make the needy out to be slackers, whether you personally hold to that viewpoint or not.


The entire right wing has some width to it and is not as narrow as your mind is.


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15 Feb 2015, 2:39 am

Raptor wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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Guns aren't going anywhere. To say otherwise is just right wing propaganda to keep the crackers hating liberals.


So, you consider those who are pro gun ownership to be crackers??


Kraichgauer wrote:
No, not at all. I'm talking about those people who are manipulated by the right by their own willful ignorance.

Which are not at all unlike those people who are manipulated by the left by their own willful ignorance. There is no shortage of manipulation or ignorance on either side.

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As a matter of fact, my dad had been a gun owner.

Really trying to get in bed with the WP pro-gun crowd tonight, eh?


No, my dad had owned a couple hunting rifles.


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15 Feb 2015, 2:51 am

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Hmmm...... It took me a few minutes to figure out what the one-handed pistol grip thing is that seems to have put a bee in your little bonnet but then it hit me; my Dirty Harry avatar.
Although it is defensible or even advisable to train in preparation for a variety of possible situations, when I was a young child, my father carefully passed on to me the instruction given to him by his grandmother. I can assure you that, if they do it in Hollywood, it is wrong. The image you present is that of a naive child. It is s fantasy.

Furthermore, my views are not even remotely opposite of yours. My views are in support of the status quo, which I perceive as generous. You ought to show greater appreciation for that. It is not your guns or your perceived rights to them that I despise. You are simply a jerk, and that is not about to change.


You've been reported several times today, please tone it down a bit.



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15 Feb 2015, 2:58 am

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Hmmm...... It took me a few minutes to figure out what the one-handed pistol grip thing is that seems to have put a bee in your little bonnet but then it hit me; my Dirty Harry avatar.
Although it is defensible or even advisable to train in preparation for a variety of possible situations, when I was a young child, my father carefully passed on to me the instruction given to him by his grandmother. I can assure you that, if they do it in Hollywood, it is wrong. The image you present is that of a naive child. It is s fantasy.

Furthermore, my views are not even remotely opposite of yours. My views are in support of the status quo, which I perceive as generous. You ought to show greater appreciation for that. It is not your guns or your perceived rights to them that I despise. You are simply a jerk, and that is not about to change.


You've been reported several times today, please tone it down a bit.


In all fairness, I have to defend Raptor. He makes conversations on WP truly interesting.


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