Is it racism to be against immigration?

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14 Jun 2015, 4:58 pm

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What's right with it? Miscegenation, over the long-term, means racial death - the destruction of human biodiversity and of the distinct races. However, I can see how someone might recommend it to their racial enemies, or - if they are mixed race - to the whole world.

Interracial breeding will not destroy human biodiversity. All the genes will still be there.

Who cares if distinct races disappear?

As for my "racial background", I don't see how it's relevant. As far back as I know, my whole family are white Europeans. My father's descendants were the latest in my family to come to Europe, they were Venetian/Croatian.

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Sweden (and all other European countries) broadly benefit from migration from outside of Europe. They generally increase the GDP and lower the crime rate.

Firstly, the idea that non-white immigration into Europe lowers the crime rate is simply a lie.

Secondly, even if non-whites generally did improve "the economy" of European countries (and they don't), why should white people care about that? When whites took over America, they improved "the economy", but that was hardly any consolation to the American Indians.

Lastly, if it could be proven to you that certain non-white groups had a negative effect on the economies or crime rates of European states, would you accept racial arguments against immigration then? I doubt it, since I know from experience that facts don't matter to people like you anyway.

Are you seriously comparing non-white immigration into Europe to the genocide of the Americas? Sorry, but that's ridiculous.

Even if I were to accept the far-fetched proposition that interracial marriage is as bad as systematic extermination, even if I have children with a black woman then it is unlikely that none of my grandchildren will be phenotypically white.

I would probably be in favour of more stringent checks on immigration if immigrants had negative effects on society, but there wouldn't be a racial element. As race does not have an impact on behaviour, it would be more effective to control for factors like nationality and vocation, which are often associated with race in immigrants.

As for my claims on GDP and crime, check those links. It seems I was misremembering on crime - intra-EU migration makes crime rates fall, whilst there's no reason to think that inter-EU migration has any effect.

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14 Jun 2015, 9:48 pm

Nigeria will have more people than the United States in 2050, how will you deal with fifty million a year joining their families in Europe?

You will not be able to stop it, you lost border control this year.

ISIS is bringing the war to you.

There will be a lot of blood in the streets.

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15 Jun 2015, 7:57 am

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how will you deal with fifty million a year joining their families in Europe?

You will not be able to stop it, you lost border control this year.

ISIS is bringing the war to you.

There will be a lot of blood in the streets.

None of this is grounded in reality.

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15 Jun 2015, 1:38 pm

Arriving late to this thread...
Anyhoo, in response to the initial question - - it all depends on why you're opposed to immigration. I think it can be argued that some people see a large number of immigrants being an albatross tied around the neck of the economy and social services. Though from my personal observations, most who want to curtail immigration - legal or otherwise - are more concerned about a different shade of skin, language, and maybe religion overtaking the previous population, which is clearly racist.

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15 Jun 2015, 1:56 pm

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The opinions of those lawful immigrants who spent many years and dollars to live in the U.S. legally are probably the most legitimate. Several have opposed illegal immigration. I haven't heard of one legal immigrant congratulating the cheaters.

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15 Jun 2015, 2:45 pm

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The left and liberals in Sweden are saying that it is.

Right wing in Sweden is against immigration becuse they say we have already have MANY immigrants comming. In fact, Sweden has taking most refugus per capita in Europe.

They dont adept and Sweden have put much money on immigration which have give negative effects on hospital, jobs, bulding houses etc. The goverment in Sweden prefers the immigrants before helping their own people and country. And they want to make the immigration even bigger, much bigger.

Is it racism to be against this? Is the liberals and the lefts in Sweden doing the right thing?

Important note: almost everyone who is comming to Sweden is arab muslims from middle east.......and they are very religious at the same time is Sweden very secular....its like 2 diffrents world facing eachother, I dont understand why the left and liberals want this....they have goon so far thaat they are saying that giving crititc to Islam is racism. But its okay to give critic to any other religion.

Well I do not think its best for a place to bar its doors to all immigration, but of course I do not live in Sweden. If there are problems caused due to all the immigration those should be addressed effectively. I don't know if left and right are the same there as it is here....but thing is here you hear from the right things like 'the government prefers the immigrants to its own people' If that's what was really going on I would take issue with it....but in reality it does not appear the case, so not sure the Swedish government actually has a preference for foreign immigrants before its own people either...or if maybe that's stretching it a bit.

Also though I cannot say I am not disgusted at the fact a lot of these muslim immigrants in places like Scandinavia, and western Europe in general seem to be extremists who would just assume see it burn...so its like 'why come?' if they hope to trash the place and cause problems because the whole world wont convert to Islam while simultaneously going back to the dark ages. I mean obviously there is a significant portion of these muslims amoung the immigrants based on what I hear of swaths of people from places like Germany leaving to join ISIS....As I imagine its not likely native Germans leaving germany to go fight for that crap....I just wonder why the scum bags going to join that even go to a place like Germany or Sweden or anywhere else like that in the first place to live, "I wanna live somewhere where I hate the people' seems to be the mentality there.

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15 Jun 2015, 2:49 pm

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Liberals love to throw the charge of racism at people that don't agree with them. It's their substitute for facts and rationale but it doesn't work with me. In all fairness, as someone whose ancestors were European immigrants I can't be against LEGAL immigration but I am and will continue to be against ILLEGAL immigration.

Yes every single one of them stinking liberals does that....hell anyone who's even a little more left than right, love to throw around racism at anyone who disagrees regardless of if it even makes sense.

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15 Jun 2015, 2:53 pm

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Some people might oppose immigration for racial (ie., 'racist') reasons, some might oppose immigration for other reasons.

But if people oppose immigration for racist reasons, so what? There's nothing wrong with that. No race of people can survive in the long run without discriminating in favour of their own kind.

So what? And that is probably the stupidest thing I've heard....discriminating against people of another race than your own actually is not an effective way to ensure survival...coexisting tends to work much better for everyone. But then usually arguments in support of racism are stupid at best.

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15 Jun 2015, 4:04 pm

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From the way people talk about race, you'd think they were talking about some whole other species of creatures, complete with tentacles, and leaving slug like goop when they crawl across the earth!
By the way, I always thought demon babies tasted a bit on the spicy side - must be a conservative matter of taste.

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15 Jun 2015, 7:14 pm

AspieUtah wrote:

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Living in Utah, you haven't met Mexican-Americans who support amnesty? Shocking!

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15 Jun 2015, 7:54 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:

AspieUtah wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Living in Utah, you haven't met Mexican-Americans who support amnesty? Shocking!

Yeah. Imagine that. I guess the lawful immigrants prefer to live in honest communities, too.

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15 Jun 2015, 8:09 pm

AspieUtah wrote:

jrjones9933 wrote:

AspieUtah wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Living in Utah, you haven't met Mexican-Americans who support amnesty? Shocking!

Yeah. Imagine that. I guess the lawful immigrants prefer to live in honest communities, too.

"Honest" is an interesting way of phrasing of it. The implication there is that if someone crosses a border without permission, and then fibs a bit on documents in order to get paying work, is someone who has broken the law and thus a criminal, right?

And criminals do as criminals do, right?

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15 Jun 2015, 8:14 pm

blauSamstag wrote:

...if someone crosses a border without permission, and then fibs a bit on documents in order to get paying work, is someone who has broken the law and thus a criminal....

You wrote it. I didn't.

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15 Jun 2015, 8:35 pm

AspieUtah wrote:

blauSamstag wrote:

...if someone crosses a border without permission, and then fibs a bit on documents in order to get paying work, is someone who has broken the law and thus a criminal....

You wrote it. I didn't.

That's not an answer.

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16 Jun 2015, 8:08 pm

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None of this is grounded in reality.

I do not share your reality. The population of Earth is going to double, and almost all the increase is coming from the poorest countries.

Nigeria has more than half the population under fifteen, the UN says they will have as many as the USA in 2050.

Open borders is calling for the destruction of Europe.

These people are not coming because they like you, they are coming because they see you are rich and weak.

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16 Jun 2015, 8:57 pm

Why won't you tell me what you think makes a neighborhood honest, AspieUtah?

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