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04 Mar 2015, 11:36 am

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...discounting the scientific evidence of vaccine efficacy and safety is irrational....

Such evidence is doubtful when the very existence of the U.S. Court of Federal Claims Office of Special Masters (the so-called vaccine court) http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/vaccine-p ... al-masters persists.

No it isn't. You are assigning authority inappropriately.

Scientists decide what is real, not government officials or lawyers.



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04 Mar 2015, 11:38 am

My Mom is a conservative so she still be lives in the vaccine myth. Because the coincidence was a few months after I got the vaccine at age 2 and a half years old I immediately regressed into my world of autism within a matter of a few months. During the regression, I lost speech and social skills very quickly. And what made my mom support the myth more with her "experience" was that in real life, I was a perfectly normal nuerotypical toddler from birth before my regression at age 2 1/2 years. She even convinced that the vaccine myth was real to my cousins and her friends to the point that they did not vaccinate their child. And we wonder why the measles crisis is going on in California. Th y also have similar myths like air pollution causes autism where it actually really causes lung issues like asthma. I consider myself to be an independent/libertarian. I believe that genetics( I study biology for Marine Biology), to be the cause.But in the end, none of us knows what really causes autism or ASDs.


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04 Mar 2015, 11:41 am

You should read case studies from the 1940s, before many of the vaccines were available.

There were some kids who regressed, starting when they were about 2 years old or so, into an autistic state. It's evident vaccines had nothing to do with that.



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04 Mar 2015, 11:49 am

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You should read case studies from the 1940s, before many of the vaccines were available.

There were some kids who regressed, starting when they were about 2 years old or so, into an autistic state. It's evident vaccines had nothing to do with that.


A friend had told me about a doctor who had recalled how he was about to administer a vaccination to a child, when said child suddenly had had a seizure. The doctor said, had he only given the child the vaccination a few minutes earlier prior to the seizure, he was certain there would have been nothing he could have told the parents to convince them that the shot had not caused it. So yeah, just because autism follows vaccinations hardly means that one is connected to the other.


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04 Mar 2015, 11:53 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
You should read case studies from the 1940s, before many of the vaccines were available.

There were some kids who regressed, starting when they were about 2 years old or so, into an autistic state. It's evident vaccines had nothing to do with that.

Yes, we probably know less about the natural occurrence of diseases and disorders than unnatural occurrence. I believe that autistic characteristics can be naturally occurring, as well as induced and mimicked unnaturally, like many other diseases and disorders. I don't believe, therefore, that autism could be the only disorder to avoid the ability of being induced or mimicked.


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04 Mar 2015, 11:55 am

Oh yeah, since Williams Syndrome is considered the opposite of autism flipping the inverse cause for Williams Syndrome would probably be a realistic cause of autism. Williams Syndrome is caused by silencing of genetic material near elastin genes in Chromosome 7. So for that being said, extra copies on genetic material (repeating it's original message) on Chromosome 7 could be a real potential cause for ASDs. So some type of Trismony 7 might be the cause of autism in that theory. When I spoke to my mom that vaccines do not cause autism she bashed at me saying that she has "experienced" that vaccines causing autism. Maybe my dramatic regression at age 2 1/2 years came coincidently close a few months after I got the MMR vaccine, which has been scientificaly been proven SCIENTIFICALLY a myth. And because of things like that along with other things like I am AGAINST imperialist interventions overseas, my mom thinks I am a liberal when I am an independent/liberatarain and also have a belief in favor of capitalism and gun ownership.By the ways the fact that I developed normally before I had a sudden, quick, and dramatic regression at age 2 1/2 leaving me completely in my very own world of autism made me look like I had (and neatly fit the criteria for ICD-10's definition of) Childhood Disintegrative Disorder at that time. But then again since that disorder was founded in 1908, there was no connection with vaccines whatsoeever .


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04 Mar 2015, 12:29 pm

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Everyone from Jesus Christ, to Dietrich Bonhoeffer, to Martin Luther King taught we are our brother's keeper, and none of these men were exactly in a privileged position. Having a heart when it comes to caring for the welfare of others is hardly a matter of privilege.

And you just happen to be one of the ones being kept as opposed to being a keeper, hence you love of anything progressive and your generosity with the money and freedom of others.....


And how do you come to that conclusion?

Are you earning a living? If not and you are on relief (by any name) then you are being kept. Therefore it behoves you to support anything thats sustains your being kept.

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My wife and I do in fact contribute to World Vision in caring for a girl in Bangladesh, so I think you've got it backwards.

I bet I've spent more including in volunteer hours. I keep mine in-country, though.

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And remind me again how is it that it's wrong to care for our fellow humans?

Nothing when done of one's own accord. Legislating morality (what you condone when it suits you) is a different matter. Just to put it in perspective for you, the bans on (or not recognizing) same sex marriage was/is legislated morality.


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04 Mar 2015, 1:36 pm

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For those who lack that privilege, whose experiences afford no grounds upon which to extend trust to "the authorities" and many reasons not to, regarding the benefits of vaccination as potential trap-bait is a rational conclusion.

It might be understandable, but it certainly isn't rational.


Please describe how this conclusion is irrational without appealing to outside perspectives which the agent in question is already stipulated to have discounted.

I am unsure what you are counting as "outside perspectives", but discounting the scientific evidence of vaccine efficacy and safety is irrational.

If I believe I can fly, it might be rational to jump off a building, but you can't derive truly rational conclusions from irrational premises.


An outside perspective would be one held by someone other than the agent in question. See "methodological solipsism."

Have you any evidence to support the belief that you can fly? Note that I have not anywhere asserted the notion that vaccines cause autism, only that vaccination is an attack vector which the government has been known to exploit - and I provided evidence to support that assertion.

The safety and efficacy of vaccines are irrelevant to considerations of such an attack. Previous attacks had the objective of intelligence-gathering under cover of vaccination campaigns - the threat came not from the vaccines themselves but from those distributing said vaccines. Of course, unless you confirm for yourself that the contents of a vial of purported vaccine are in fact vaccine and nothing but, you have only the vaccine administrator's word that you are to be injected with vaccine and not, say, polonium-210. The agent in question is unlikely to take the vaccine administrator's word.


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04 Mar 2015, 1:38 pm

Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Everyone from Jesus Christ, to Dietrich Bonhoeffer, to Martin Luther King taught we are our brother's keeper, and none of these men were exactly in a privileged position. Having a heart when it comes to caring for the welfare of others is hardly a matter of privilege.

And you just happen to be one of the ones being kept as opposed to being a keeper, hence you love of anything progressive and your generosity with the money and freedom of others.....


And how do you come to that conclusion?

Are you earning a living? If not and you are on relief (by any name) then you are being kept. Therefore it behoves you to support anything thats sustains your being kept.

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My wife and I do in fact contribute to World Vision in caring for a girl in Bangladesh, so I think you've got it backwards.

I bet I've spent more including in volunteer hours. I keep mine in-country, though.

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And remind me again how is it that it's wrong to care for our fellow humans?

Nothing when done of one's own accord. Legislating morality (what you condone when it suits you) is a different matter. Just to put it in perspective for you, the bans on (or not recognizing) same sex marriage was/is legislated morality.


Choosing to support one form of legislated morality over another is just keeping with one's moral compass.
And as for your volunteer hours - oh, you're so morally superior! Especially since you think Americans are more worthy of compassion than anyone else.
As for my income - - why, I drain the life blood from you upstanding, morally superior conservatives. No, really, I'm a vampire! I don't go out by day, and only leave my tomb to feed by night. And despite what you've heard in the movies, my kind doesn't reproduce by turning victims into vampires. No, I impregnate the living with my seed, and they have to carry my progeny to term. In that way, I or my kith may someday come upon you, after which you will awake with a hangover like headache and strange cravings for pickles or other foods that pregnant women pine for. Then, when your stomach grows with child, the crackers you live among will accuse you of being a homosexual hermaphrodite, and drive you out to the bug infested mud holes that passes for wilderness in the south east. There, after two years of your stomach growing impossibly huge, the child will claw it's way out of your anus in the most agonizing fashion. No you won't die, but you'll wish you did, as it'll take eight to ten days for the birthing to reach completion. After which, the skin of your formerly impregnated belly will hang loose for - not feet - but yards, looking like an unbundled parachute, and your poop chute will be irreparably wrecked, so that feces will drop out unbidden, as it does a horse or cow. And that's how you'll spend the rest of your existence. That is, unless the child eats you like a baby spider does to it's mother, first.
So, now you know my secret. Whaddya think of that!?!? :P


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04 Mar 2015, 2:33 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
RhodyStruggle wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Everyone from Jesus Christ, to Dietrich Bonhoeffer, to Martin Luther King taught we are our brother's keeper, and none of these men were exactly in a privileged position.


These men were not exiles or outcasts. They each had a place in a community. Whether or not they should be generally considered privileged, each enjoyed the specific privilege of having experienced the existence of a group of people who cared for their welfare and did not endeavor to destroy them. The fact that you can't see this as being a privilege is most likely a reflection of the fact that you share this privilege, and people who have privilege are as a rule blind to it.

Kraichgauer wrote:
Having a heart when it comes to caring for the welfare of others is hardly a matter of privilege.


Surviving to adulthood in order to express such a sentiment necessarily implies the privilege of not being murdered by your parents (a privilege I share with you, though not for lack of trying on one's part). So yeah, there's definitely a component of privilege there, we're just arguing the extent of it.

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As far as "those who have no brothers" - I take it that it's either a go-it-alone libertarian bullsh*t, or, you're referring to very alienated people.


The fact that you differentiate between the two speaks volumes about you. Perhaps if you weren't so focused on othering libertarians you'd have noticed that the former set is largely comprised of members of the latter.

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In either case, just because you believe it to be so hardly makes it so.


Except that goes both ways. And whereas you have no basis whatsoever for the belief that anybody gives a sh*t about me, I have good reasons to conclude that there are no such sh*t-givers.

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By the way, as an Aspie, I fully understand what alienation and isolation is.


I am not my diagnosis. Even if I were, Complex PTSD has far more to do with this than ASD.

If there's a single person you met before the age of 20 from whom you don't fear for your life, you do not know where I am coming from.

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As for your take on vaccinations, I go with what The_Walrus said.


Then feel free to answer my response to them.


Just because you're in pain and have a chip on your shoulder is no reason to believe where you're coming from is the best vantage point; just the opposite.
And if libertarians are alienated, isolated people, then all the more reason to consider libertarianism to be a maladjusted, traumatized and trauma inducing political philosophy.


There's that privilege again.

Nowhere did I suggest that my vantage point is "the best" in any way. However since you brought it up, critical rationalism does tell us that the information content of a given vantage point grows in proportion to its variance from the norm. So by saying "just the opposite" you're engaging in the pre-Popperian lunacy of preference for low-information-content. Your choice to minimize my experiences - describing me as being in pain and with a chip on my shoulder, rather than a person with serious and legitimate grievances against the most fundamental structures of your society, without means or hope of redress - fits nicely with your decision to devalue and discard the information contained therein.

For the record, I'm not a libertarian. But if I were at all interested in saving this country - which I'm decidedly not - I'd be trying to figure out how not to further alienate the alienated. You're doing the precise opposite. Good work, carry on.


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04 Mar 2015, 2:47 pm

RhodyStruggle wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
RhodyStruggle wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Everyone from Jesus Christ, to Dietrich Bonhoeffer, to Martin Luther King taught we are our brother's keeper, and none of these men were exactly in a privileged position.


These men were not exiles or outcasts. They each had a place in a community. Whether or not they should be generally considered privileged, each enjoyed the specific privilege of having experienced the existence of a group of people who cared for their welfare and did not endeavor to destroy them. The fact that you can't see this as being a privilege is most likely a reflection of the fact that you share this privilege, and people who have privilege are as a rule blind to it.

Kraichgauer wrote:
Having a heart when it comes to caring for the welfare of others is hardly a matter of privilege.


Surviving to adulthood in order to express such a sentiment necessarily implies the privilege of not being murdered by your parents (a privilege I share with you, though not for lack of trying on one's part). So yeah, there's definitely a component of privilege there, we're just arguing the extent of it.

Kraichgauer wrote:
As far as "those who have no brothers" - I take it that it's either a go-it-alone libertarian bullsh*t, or, you're referring to very alienated people.


The fact that you differentiate between the two speaks volumes about you. Perhaps if you weren't so focused on othering libertarians you'd have noticed that the former set is largely comprised of members of the latter.

Kraichgauer wrote:
In either case, just because you believe it to be so hardly makes it so.


Except that goes both ways. And whereas you have no basis whatsoever for the belief that anybody gives a sh*t about me, I have good reasons to conclude that there are no such sh*t-givers.

Kraichgauer wrote:
By the way, as an Aspie, I fully understand what alienation and isolation is.


I am not my diagnosis. Even if I were, Complex PTSD has far more to do with this than ASD.

If there's a single person you met before the age of 20 from whom you don't fear for your life, you do not know where I am coming from.

Kraichgauer wrote:
As for your take on vaccinations, I go with what The_Walrus said.


Then feel free to answer my response to them.


Just because you're in pain and have a chip on your shoulder is no reason to believe where you're coming from is the best vantage point; just the opposite.
And if libertarians are alienated, isolated people, then all the more reason to consider libertarianism to be a maladjusted, traumatized and trauma inducing political philosophy.


There's that privilege again.

Nowhere did I suggest that my vantage point is "the best" in any way. However since you brought it up, critical rationalism does tell us that the information content of a given vantage point grows in proportion to its variance from the norm. So by saying "just the opposite" you're engaging in the pre-Popperian lunacy of preference for low-information-content. Your choice to minimize my experiences - describing me as being in pain and with a chip on my shoulder, rather than a person with serious and legitimate grievances against the most fundamental structures of your society, without means or hope of redress - fits nicely with your decision to devalue and discard the information contained therein.

For the record, I'm not a libertarian. But if I were at all interested in saving this country - which I'm decidedly not - I'd be trying to figure out how not to further alienate the alienated. You're doing the precise opposite. Good work, carry on.


Trust me, no privilege on my part. In fact, my self described nemesis, Raptor, thinks I'm envious of privilege enjoyed by the wealthy, as I'm so under privileged.
As for you either being in pain and having a chip on your shoulder, or as you describe yourself as just not able to redress wrongs done to you, resulting in anger and alienation - I fail to see the difference.
And as a matter of fact, I'm very sympathetic toward the alienated and downtrodden. I'm just not so open minded when it comes to those espousing libertarian/conservative hardheartedness. If you don't cling to such ideology, despite your rejection of the notion that we as human beings owe each other compassion, you seem to be doing a great imitation of it.
And in closing - I certainly plan to carry on.


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04 Mar 2015, 3:23 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
RhodyStruggle wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
RhodyStruggle wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Everyone from Jesus Christ, to Dietrich Bonhoeffer, to Martin Luther King taught we are our brother's keeper, and none of these men were exactly in a privileged position.


These men were not exiles or outcasts. They each had a place in a community. Whether or not they should be generally considered privileged, each enjoyed the specific privilege of having experienced the existence of a group of people who cared for their welfare and did not endeavor to destroy them. The fact that you can't see this as being a privilege is most likely a reflection of the fact that you share this privilege, and people who have privilege are as a rule blind to it.

Kraichgauer wrote:
Having a heart when it comes to caring for the welfare of others is hardly a matter of privilege.


Surviving to adulthood in order to express such a sentiment necessarily implies the privilege of not being murdered by your parents (a privilege I share with you, though not for lack of trying on one's part). So yeah, there's definitely a component of privilege there, we're just arguing the extent of it.

Kraichgauer wrote:
As far as "those who have no brothers" - I take it that it's either a go-it-alone libertarian bullsh*t, or, you're referring to very alienated people.


The fact that you differentiate between the two speaks volumes about you. Perhaps if you weren't so focused on othering libertarians you'd have noticed that the former set is largely comprised of members of the latter.

Kraichgauer wrote:
In either case, just because you believe it to be so hardly makes it so.


Except that goes both ways. And whereas you have no basis whatsoever for the belief that anybody gives a sh*t about me, I have good reasons to conclude that there are no such sh*t-givers.

Kraichgauer wrote:
By the way, as an Aspie, I fully understand what alienation and isolation is.


I am not my diagnosis. Even if I were, Complex PTSD has far more to do with this than ASD.

If there's a single person you met before the age of 20 from whom you don't fear for your life, you do not know where I am coming from.

Kraichgauer wrote:
As for your take on vaccinations, I go with what The_Walrus said.


Then feel free to answer my response to them.


Just because you're in pain and have a chip on your shoulder is no reason to believe where you're coming from is the best vantage point; just the opposite.
And if libertarians are alienated, isolated people, then all the more reason to consider libertarianism to be a maladjusted, traumatized and trauma inducing political philosophy.


There's that privilege again.

Nowhere did I suggest that my vantage point is "the best" in any way. However since you brought it up, critical rationalism does tell us that the information content of a given vantage point grows in proportion to its variance from the norm. So by saying "just the opposite" you're engaging in the pre-Popperian lunacy of preference for low-information-content. Your choice to minimize my experiences - describing me as being in pain and with a chip on my shoulder, rather than a person with serious and legitimate grievances against the most fundamental structures of your society, without means or hope of redress - fits nicely with your decision to devalue and discard the information contained therein.

For the record, I'm not a libertarian. But if I were at all interested in saving this country - which I'm decidedly not - I'd be trying to figure out how not to further alienate the alienated. You're doing the precise opposite. Good work, carry on.


Trust me, no privilege on my part. In fact, my self described nemesis, Raptor, thinks I'm envious of privilege enjoyed by the wealthy, as I'm so under privileged.
As for you either being in pain and having a chip on your shoulder, or as you describe yourself as just not able to redress wrongs done to you, resulting in anger and alienation - I fail to see the difference.
And as a matter of fact, I'm very sympathetic toward the alienated and downtrodden. I'm just not so open minded when it comes to those espousing libertarian/conservative hardheartedness. If you don't cling to such ideology, despite your rejection of the notion that we as human beings owe each other compassion, you seem to be doing a great imitation of it.
And in closing - I certainly plan to carry on.


"your rejection of the notion that we as human beings owe each other compassion"

There's the problem. I don't reject that notion. I simply don't consider myself to be part of the community of human beings insofar as such obligations are concerned. I consider the events I've experienced to constitute breach of contract, nullifying any such obligations on my part due to the contract breachers.

Given that said breach of contract was undertaken by government, and given that your government is officially "of, by, and for the people," I apply the aforementioned nullification-of-obligation transitively to said people, as well as the nation's allies and their peoples.

I actually do feel a great deal of compassion for enemies of the United States. Abstractly my heart bleeds for them. In practice I don't know any such persons (hence being "brotherless"). To reiterate, if you want to join me in singing 'It's Time for Guillotines,' meaning every word of it, I'd be happy to embrace you as a brother. But you won't.


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04 Mar 2015, 3:38 pm

RhodyStruggle wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
RhodyStruggle wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
RhodyStruggle wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Everyone from Jesus Christ, to Dietrich Bonhoeffer, to Martin Luther King taught we are our brother's keeper, and none of these men were exactly in a privileged position.


These men were not exiles or outcasts. They each had a place in a community. Whether or not they should be generally considered privileged, each enjoyed the specific privilege of having experienced the existence of a group of people who cared for their welfare and did not endeavor to destroy them. The fact that you can't see this as being a privilege is most likely a reflection of the fact that you share this privilege, and people who have privilege are as a rule blind to it.

Kraichgauer wrote:
Having a heart when it comes to caring for the welfare of others is hardly a matter of privilege.


Surviving to adulthood in order to express such a sentiment necessarily implies the privilege of not being murdered by your parents (a privilege I share with you, though not for lack of trying on one's part). So yeah, there's definitely a component of privilege there, we're just arguing the extent of it.

Kraichgauer wrote:
As far as "those who have no brothers" - I take it that it's either a go-it-alone libertarian bullsh*t, or, you're referring to very alienated people.


The fact that you differentiate between the two speaks volumes about you. Perhaps if you weren't so focused on othering libertarians you'd have noticed that the former set is largely comprised of members of the latter.

Kraichgauer wrote:
In either case, just because you believe it to be so hardly makes it so.


Except that goes both ways. And whereas you have no basis whatsoever for the belief that anybody gives a sh*t about me, I have good reasons to conclude that there are no such sh*t-givers.

Kraichgauer wrote:
By the way, as an Aspie, I fully understand what alienation and isolation is.


I am not my diagnosis. Even if I were, Complex PTSD has far more to do with this than ASD.

If there's a single person you met before the age of 20 from whom you don't fear for your life, you do not know where I am coming from.

Kraichgauer wrote:
As for your take on vaccinations, I go with what The_Walrus said.


Then feel free to answer my response to them.


Just because you're in pain and have a chip on your shoulder is no reason to believe where you're coming from is the best vantage point; just the opposite.
And if libertarians are alienated, isolated people, then all the more reason to consider libertarianism to be a maladjusted, traumatized and trauma inducing political philosophy.


There's that privilege again.

Nowhere did I suggest that my vantage point is "the best" in any way. However since you brought it up, critical rationalism does tell us that the information content of a given vantage point grows in proportion to its variance from the norm. So by saying "just the opposite" you're engaging in the pre-Popperian lunacy of preference for low-information-content. Your choice to minimize my experiences - describing me as being in pain and with a chip on my shoulder, rather than a person with serious and legitimate grievances against the most fundamental structures of your society, without means or hope of redress - fits nicely with your decision to devalue and discard the information contained therein.

For the record, I'm not a libertarian. But if I were at all interested in saving this country - which I'm decidedly not - I'd be trying to figure out how not to further alienate the alienated. You're doing the precise opposite. Good work, carry on.


Trust me, no privilege on my part. In fact, my self described nemesis, Raptor, thinks I'm envious of privilege enjoyed by the wealthy, as I'm so under privileged.
As for you either being in pain and having a chip on your shoulder, or as you describe yourself as just not able to redress wrongs done to you, resulting in anger and alienation - I fail to see the difference.
And as a matter of fact, I'm very sympathetic toward the alienated and downtrodden. I'm just not so open minded when it comes to those espousing libertarian/conservative hardheartedness. If you don't cling to such ideology, despite your rejection of the notion that we as human beings owe each other compassion, you seem to be doing a great imitation of it.
And in closing - I certainly plan to carry on.


"your rejection of the notion that we as human beings owe each other compassion"

There's the problem. I don't reject that notion. I simply don't consider myself to be part of the community of human beings insofar as such obligations are concerned. I consider the events I've experienced to constitute breach of contract, nullifying any such obligations on my part due to the contract breachers.

Given that said breach of contract was undertaken by government, and given that your government is officially "of, by, and for the people," I apply the aforementioned nullification-of-obligation transitively to said people, as well as the nation's allies and their peoples.

I actually do feel a great deal of compassion for enemies of the United States. Abstractly my heart bleeds for them. In practice I don't know any such persons (hence being "brotherless"). To reiterate, if you want to join me in singing 'It's Time for Guillotines,' meaning every word of it, I'd be happy to embrace you as a brother. But you won't.


Well, as far as singing "It's Time For The Guillotines" is concerned - it all depends on, guillotines for who.
And may I ask, what was the nature of your experience that you believe nullified your brotherhood with mankind? I promise, no ridicule or judgement.


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04 Mar 2015, 3:53 pm

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Well, as far as singing "It's Time For The Guillotines" is concerned - it all depends on, guillotines for who.
And may I ask, what was the nature of your experience that you believe nullified your brotherhood with mankind? I promise, no ridicule or judgement.


Mankind are cousins, not brothers. We all have the same kind of DNA (but not identical) and we all bleed red blood. But we are all different each from the other.

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04 Mar 2015, 4:09 pm

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Everyone from Jesus Christ, to Dietrich Bonhoeffer, to Martin Luther King taught we are our brother's keeper, and none of these men were exactly in a privileged position. Having a heart when it comes to caring for the welfare of others is hardly a matter of privilege.
As far as "those who have no brothers" - I take it that it's either a go-it-alone libertarian bullsh*t, or, you're referring to very alienated people. In either case, just because you believe it to be so hardly makes it so. By the way, as an Aspie, I fully understand what alienation and isolation is.
As for your take on vaccinations, I go with what The_Walrus said.


What about "Every man for himself and God for us all"? That not Christian enough? :twisted:



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04 Mar 2015, 4:21 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

Well, as far as singing "It's Time For The Guillotines" is concerned - it all depends on, guillotines for who.
And may I ask, what was the nature of your experience that you believe nullified your brotherhood with mankind? I promise, no ridicule or judgement.


Mankind are cousins, not brothers. We all have the same kind of DNA (but not identical) and we all bleed red blood. But we are all different each from the other.

ruveyn


Brothers, cousins, makes no difference when it comes to caring for those who need caring for.


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