Sweetleaf wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
If that were the case then Moses would have been "satanic" for leading his people out of slavery.
So obviously the answer is "no". Demanding equality, and/or resisting tyranny per se does not go against the Bible.
The difference between Moses and Satan is that the former rebelled against a human tyrant, and the later against God himself.
So spiritual tyranny is good but physical tyranny is bad....intresting.
What does that have to do with anything?
How was Satan rebelling against tyranny?
He just wanted to replace God as the tyrant.
My point was that the Bible does glorify rebels in some spots, though not in others (Moses is actually in the Bible, and that satan fable is not BTW). So the Bible doesnt necessarily discourage rebellion per se.
I am not defending religion, but if you going to have a religion- and supply it with a deity -then how could this deity be anything other than an absolute monarch?
Are you suggesting that God is an elected official who depends upon our votes?
If you are under the impression that the Universe is a democracy then...why hasn't mortality been repealed?
Repealing death would certainly have gotten God a lot of votes a long time ago!
Lol!
He could have been rebelling against tyranny, you think he just wanted to replace god as a tyrant? Well where you there to see this for yourself? and also much of the time the victorious party writes history....what if the heavenly council of God and the Angels is lying? I mean come on there are just so many hypotheticals and possibilities.
And IDK the Pagans have different roles split up among multiple deities, rather than one being some absolute monarch omnipresent being. Of course I am speaking in general terms there are obviously lots and lots of different beliefs systems that could fall under the term Pagan. I think that kind of thing makes more sense as far as religion, than the monotheistic religions. And of course the Universe is not a democracy, it is also not a monarchy regardless of what any religion says....in fact no human economic and/or political systems can possibly define the universe.
Besides Pagans have shamans and witchcraft and cool stuff like that....lol witchcraft meaning the art of brewing herbs/plants in teas/concoctions ect, its really instresting in history the christian church banned that sort of 'devilry' and it was the sort of thing you could be put to death for witchcraft for...because its evil to make things of the earth, and not depend on the churches 'advanced' medical knowledge for your ailments. I actually did read up on a bunch of this crap a long time ago . Anyways that seems to be more effective than praying....sure I could pray for my headache to go away or I can brew some feverfew with some other plants and drink that....or I could take an over-the counter pain killer but seems kind of pointless if I have a plant that does the same thing. So I suppose I find those sorts of older pagan type beliefs to also be more practical when it comes down to it.
Have you ever gone to "Burning Man"? A friend of a friend used to go to that. Would like to see it -at least once (speaking of Pagan influenced things).
I was just going to post an additional thought-that happened to be along the same lines of some what you are saying.
Consider that folks THINK that the story of Satan rebelling is in the Bible. But it's not actually there.
But little bits, and pieces of scripture do hint at this thing happening. Hmmmm.....
And precisely because it isn't actually in the Bible could be....suspicious. Like the long stretches of silence in the Nixon tapes.
Could there have been...a cover up?
The very fact that bits and pieces of the story are scattered through the two testaments (references to Satan being "that snake who was cast down from Heaven back in the day") points to the core story having been there at one time, but being put on the cutting room floor at some point.
So maybe Satan was indeed motivated by being upset with God about how God was treating everybody, and was seeking justice. And the whole thing was laid out in its own chapter in the OT. But then sometime later they censored the story, and cut that book out. But they couldn't scrub away every reference to it in other chapters.
Its Watergate!
But as I said: if you're going by whats in front of you (the story according to tradition), and going by internal logic then Satan was just motivated by vanity, and greed, and like that. So its hard to prove any alternative interpretation. You would have to find that piece on the cutting room floor.
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Multiple gods?
I dunno. Not sure how a universe would work with that.
In Hinduism they have it both ways: zillions of Gods, but lesser gods are really manifestations (avatars) of fewer greater gods, who are manifestions of still fewer greater gods, and it all traces up to one (or three, depending upon the sect) top deities. Does have a certain logic, and asthetic appeal. Kinda like a mashup of the Bible, and Greek mythology (to put it in European terms).
What I said above about censoring was a bit tongue-in-cheek, but one thing that I am seriously convinced really was censored out of the Bible is the fact that Jehovah had a wife named "Ashura"... a goddess worshipped alongside Jehovah by the early Hebrews.
That really was suppressed. And its a pity because I think that its highly unnatural for humans (both men and women) to worship a god who only shows a male face. And for the last 2000 years the Catholic church has been quietly gradually elevating, and deifying the Virgin Mary in order to reinvent Ashura for that reason.
07 Apr 2015, 2:00 pm
