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11 Apr 2015, 12:58 am

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you assume just because someone is anti gay they are abusive. you can be nice to others while disagreeing with their lifestyle. if christians strongly against gay marriage can't refuse service then a hairdresser can't refuse to serve the christians either. fair is fair. so either no one can discriminate or everyone can?
double sidedness upsets me so much.


Most the time it is a non issue because someone who is anti gay wouldn't have a gay hairdresser in the first place and if he is getting his hair cut by a gay and neither talks about it, neither would know, would they? If he starts bashing gays in front of the hairdresser, the hairdresser could say it is verbally abusive and not have to cut the man's hair.


yeah cause gays walk around with a sign on them all the time saying "hey I'm gay"

just like my work doesn't know I'm a christian who owns guns.
can't really tell most people are gay until they tell you they are.

in this case it was a politician who didn't support gay marriage the hairdresser knew this and refused further service. not cause the person was abusive to them but cause they disagreed with their beliefs the left praised it while at the same time saying others should be forced to serve gays. they should have attacked the hairdresser the same as the cake maker. its all one way or all the other, you can't pick and choose rights. that you and others can't see that scares me deeply.

equality for all or equality for non. you can't give gays special treatment while hating on others who do the same as them
two wrongs don't make a right.



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11 Apr 2015, 1:00 am

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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you assume just because someone is anti gay they are abusive. you can be nice to others while disagreeing with their lifestyle. if christians strongly against gay marriage can't refuse service then a hairdresser can't refuse to serve the christians either. fair is fair. so either no one can discriminate or everyone can?
double sidedness upsets me so much.


Most the time it is a non issue because someone who is anti gay wouldn't have a gay hairdresser in the first place and if he is getting his hair cut by a gay and neither talks about it, neither would know, would they? If he starts bashing gays in front of the hairdresser, the hairdresser could say it is verbally abusive and not have to cut the man's hair.


yeah cause gays walk around with a sign on them all the time saying "hey I'm gay"

just like my work doesn't know I'm a christian who owns guns.
can't really tell most people are gay until they tell you they are.

in this case it was a politician who didn't support gay marriage the hairdresser knew this and refused further service. not cause the person was abusive to them but cause they disagreed with their beliefs the left praised it while at the same time saying others should be forced to serve gays. they should have attacked the hairdresser the same as the cake maker. its all one way or all the other, you can't pick and choose rights. that you and others can't see that scares me deeply.

equality for all or equality for non. you can't give gays special treatment while hating on others who do the same as them
two wrongs don't make a right.

Some men are effeminate and there's a chance they aren't gay but if they are very effeminate, most the time, they are, and they could be the ones that put up with the most because it's more obvious they are gay and people can figure it out easier.



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11 Apr 2015, 1:01 am

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As far as the left attacking others is concerned, is that perhaps in large part the left defending certain groups like gays, blacks, women, etc. by attacking homophobes, racists, and misogynists?


yes cause anyone who disagrees with the left are homophobes, racists, and misogynists.

yep no blind hatred lying there. just the classic if you disagree with democrats you're a racist comment.


But people who oppose LGBT rights are clearly homophobes, and those who oppose civil rights for racial minorities are clearly racists. There's no way to get around the moral defects of those standing against civil liberties.


opposing forced vaccinations doesn't make people anti gay . get it through your head not everyone is so party loyal like you to the point they blindly follow the party line exactly.

the left supports gay's civil liberties while opposing gun owners civil liberties. they also oppose christians libiteries. the left is a giant hypocrite. they only do what they do for votes.

right back at you on the bold part. maybe if the left stopped picking and choosing what liberties should matter they'd be more moral.


Seriously, when have Christians and gun owners been discriminated against as gays and blacks have been? Neither of these groups ever face hatred and violence in their everyday lives like gays and blacks have.
And as for me being blindly partisan - - I suggest you get to know me, rather than relying on second hand, prejudiced opinions by who I call the "usual suspects."


see as a non christian gun owner you wouldn't know would you.

lets see being carr murdered, genocidal maniac,s child killers, treated as criminals just cause we own guns. wanting to put us on lists and let everyone see the list. I could go on but I doubt you care . mabye if I was gay you'd care a bit but only for my sexual id not for my gun ownership. lots of blacks, mexican immigrants, gays own guns. by attacking gun owners you also attack the very people you so claim to defend.

as a christian I get hatred all the time online, way more then i've seen gays here get. you just don't see it cause you only see your side and ignore those on your line who hate on us. I'm so sick of having to hid who I am in fear of being attacked or yelled at or lectured on how horrible I am. really is no group I can be apart of who want hate me :'(

I base my views on you from reading your posts.

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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...the left always has to feel like they have to control everyone else.

True. They believe government control is the solution to everything. They are essentially totalitarians, and if they are not kept in check it will end in communism, nazism, or some other disaster.

If that is true, why doesn't The Right let gays marry? It's their freedom to marry if they choose. Why is it The Right always cries about individual liberty but is completely paranoid and intolerant about same sex couples and marriage? If you cater a gay wedding, it doesn't mean that you are the one who actually performed the ceremony wedding them. It's just an excuse for The Right to declare they want to control who gets married and who doesn't.

A lot of times when The Right complains about certain laws, it's laws keeping people from being abused or endangering their health due to actions of others. They want us all to endure abuse and pollution until we can no longer breath, have chemical burns on our arms and faces, and have to wear a gas mask to go outside. It's all so the ones doing the abusing can be free to abuse and if someone has the audacity to say, "Hey, I don't want your lead in my water," you accuse them of being totalitarian or Nazis just for speaking up and demanding a better living environment.


suppose if you cater to nazis killing jews then you aren't any way part of genocide right? oddly the world took a different view post ww2. don't support things you disagree with. if a gay hair cutter can refuse to service a anti gay person then why can't an anti gay person refuse service to gays. you can't have your cake and eat it too. you can't say do as I say not as I do.

build a wall around california, everyone who wants to live there gets vaccinated mandatory and leave the rest of use alone. we'd rather take risks with freedom then have no freedom and limit the risk a tiny bit for fake security feeling.


But by that logic, a racist business person could refuse service to blacks, as they had during segregation days.


except the bible don't say and thou shalt be any color but white.

what do you think of black's who oppose gay rights do to their catholic beliefs?



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11 Apr 2015, 1:01 am

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State wants to blame divorce for all the problems in society but simple matter is the problems stem from not enough money. The main reason people divorce in this state is financial so it's easy to see the solution.


Upon further reflection, I don't believe that most divorces any other state are because of not enough money. Even where it is about money, I would bet that it isn't about not having "enough money", but about the two having much different ideas about what to do with whatever money they have.

Do you have any statistics to back up your claim?



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11 Apr 2015, 1:03 am

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...a racist business person could refuse service to blacks, as they had during segregation days.

Yes, unless the racist business person is black.


Seriously, when has that happened? And it's a well known fact that blacks - business owners or otherwise - risked getting lynched by the KKK, or at least getting ruinously boycotted by the White Citizens Council (today the Conservative Citizens Council) - for being too uppity.


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11 Apr 2015, 1:04 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
sly279 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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you assume just because someone is anti gay they are abusive. you can be nice to others while disagreeing with their lifestyle. if christians strongly against gay marriage can't refuse service then a hairdresser can't refuse to serve the christians either. fair is fair. so either no one can discriminate or everyone can?
double sidedness upsets me so much.


Most the time it is a non issue because someone who is anti gay wouldn't have a gay hairdresser in the first place and if he is getting his hair cut by a gay and neither talks about it, neither would know, would they? If he starts bashing gays in front of the hairdresser, the hairdresser could say it is verbally abusive and not have to cut the man's hair.


yeah cause gays walk around with a sign on them all the time saying "hey I'm gay"

just like my work doesn't know I'm a christian who owns guns.
can't really tell most people are gay until they tell you they are.

in this case it was a politician who didn't support gay marriage the hairdresser knew this and refused further service. not cause the person was abusive to them but cause they disagreed with their beliefs the left praised it while at the same time saying others should be forced to serve gays. they should have attacked the hairdresser the same as the cake maker. its all one way or all the other, you can't pick and choose rights. that you and others can't see that scares me deeply.

equality for all or equality for non. you can't give gays special treatment while hating on others who do the same as them
two wrongs don't make a right.

Some men are effeminate and there's a chance they aren't gay but if they are very effeminate, most the time, they are, and they could be the ones that put up with the most because it's more obvious they are gay and people can figure it out easier.


such a gay stereotype :(
I'm leaning towards behaving like a woman a bit I'm not gay. guys just call me a p****.
while most gays I've meat just seem like normal people who happen to be into their same sex.
so the whole most gays talk with a high pitched voice and act like women is just a bad stereotype abused by the movies.



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11 Apr 2015, 1:06 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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...a racist business person could refuse service to blacks, as they had during segregation days.
Yes, unless the racist business person is black.
Seriously, when has that happened?

Do you believe racism is just a white phenomenon?



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11 Apr 2015, 1:07 am

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...a racist business person could refuse service to blacks, as they had during segregation days.

Yes, unless the racist business person is black.


Seriously, when has that happened? And it's a well known fact that blacks - business owners or otherwise - risked getting lynched by the KKK, or at least getting ruinously boycotted by the White Citizens Council (today the Conservative Citizens Council) - for being too uppity.



its in the past.
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...a racist business person could refuse service to blacks, as they had during segregation days.
Yes, unless the racist business person is black.
Seriously, when has that happened?

Do you believe racism is just a white phenomenon?


most on the left and blacks seem to think so.

whites and japanese are the only people who can be racist. everyone else is race blind.



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sly279 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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you assume just because someone is anti gay they are abusive. you can be nice to others while disagreeing with their lifestyle. if christians strongly against gay marriage can't refuse service then a hairdresser can't refuse to serve the christians either. fair is fair. so either no one can discriminate or everyone can?
double sidedness upsets me so much.


Most the time it is a non issue because someone who is anti gay wouldn't have a gay hairdresser in the first place and if he is getting his hair cut by a gay and neither talks about it, neither would know, would they? If he starts bashing gays in front of the hairdresser, the hairdresser could say it is verbally abusive and not have to cut the man's hair.


yeah cause gays walk around with a sign on them all the time saying "hey I'm gay"

just like my work doesn't know I'm a christian who owns guns.
can't really tell most people are gay until they tell you they are.

in this case it was a politician who didn't support gay marriage the hairdresser knew this and refused further service. not cause the person was abusive to them but cause they disagreed with their beliefs the left praised it while at the same time saying others should be forced to serve gays. they should have attacked the hairdresser the same as the cake maker. its all one way or all the other, you can't pick and choose rights. that you and others can't see that scares me deeply.

equality for all or equality for non. you can't give gays special treatment while hating on others who do the same as them
two wrongs don't make a right.

Some men are effeminate and there's a chance they aren't gay but if they are very effeminate, most the time, they are, and they could be the ones that put up with the most because it's more obvious they are gay and people can figure it out easier.


such a gay stereotype :(
I'm leaning towards behaving like a woman a bit I'm not gay. guys just call me a p****.
while most gays I've meat just seem like normal people who happen to be into their same sex.
so the whole most gays talk with a high pitched voice and act like women is just a bad stereotype abused by the movies.

I didn't say all gay men are effeminate or that most are, just men who are very effeminate are usually gay and they have to put up with more direct homophobia because people know they are gay right away so if they are homophobe, they will project it. If a man conceals his sexuality, it's unlikely he will be targeted for obvious reasons, the homophobes have no idea he is gay. If a man is effeminate, even if he isn't gay, he might still have to put up with grief from others because of ignorance.



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11 Apr 2015, 1:11 am

sly279 wrote:
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sly279 wrote:
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As far as the left attacking others is concerned, is that perhaps in large part the left defending certain groups like gays, blacks, women, etc. by attacking homophobes, racists, and misogynists?


yes cause anyone who disagrees with the left are homophobes, racists, and misogynists.

yep no blind hatred lying there. just the classic if you disagree with democrats you're a racist comment.


But people who oppose LGBT rights are clearly homophobes, and those who oppose civil rights for racial minorities are clearly racists. There's no way to get around the moral defects of those standing against civil liberties.


opposing forced vaccinations doesn't make people anti gay . get it through your head not everyone is so party loyal like you to the point they blindly follow the party line exactly.

the left supports gay's civil liberties while opposing gun owners civil liberties. they also oppose christians libiteries. the left is a giant hypocrite. they only do what they do for votes.

right back at you on the bold part. maybe if the left stopped picking and choosing what liberties should matter they'd be more moral.


Seriously, when have Christians and gun owners been discriminated against as gays and blacks have been? Neither of these groups ever face hatred and violence in their everyday lives like gays and blacks have.
And as for me being blindly partisan - - I suggest you get to know me, rather than relying on second hand, prejudiced opinions by who I call the "usual suspects."


see as a non christian gun owner you wouldn't know would you.

lets see being carr murdered, genocidal maniac,s child killers, treated as criminals just cause we own guns. wanting to put us on lists and let everyone see the list. I could go on but I doubt you care . mabye if I was gay you'd care a bit but only for my sexual id not for my gun ownership. lots of blacks, mexican immigrants, gays own guns. by attacking gun owners you also attack the very people you so claim to defend.

as a christian I get hatred all the time online, way more then i've seen gays here get. you just don't see it cause you only see your side and ignore those on your line who hate on us. I'm so sick of having to hid who I am in fear of being attacked or yelled at or lectured on how horrible I am. really is no group I can be apart of who want hate me :'(

I base my views on you from reading your posts.

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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sly279 wrote:
...the left always has to feel like they have to control everyone else.

True. They believe government control is the solution to everything. They are essentially totalitarians, and if they are not kept in check it will end in communism, nazism, or some other disaster.

If that is true, why doesn't The Right let gays marry? It's their freedom to marry if they choose. Why is it The Right always cries about individual liberty but is completely paranoid and intolerant about same sex couples and marriage? If you cater a gay wedding, it doesn't mean that you are the one who actually performed the ceremony wedding them. It's just an excuse for The Right to declare they want to control who gets married and who doesn't.

A lot of times when The Right complains about certain laws, it's laws keeping people from being abused or endangering their health due to actions of others. They want us all to endure abuse and pollution until we can no longer breath, have chemical burns on our arms and faces, and have to wear a gas mask to go outside. It's all so the ones doing the abusing can be free to abuse and if someone has the audacity to say, "Hey, I don't want your lead in my water," you accuse them of being totalitarian or Nazis just for speaking up and demanding a better living environment.


suppose if you cater to nazis killing jews then you aren't any way part of genocide right? oddly the world took a different view post ww2. don't support things you disagree with. if a gay hair cutter can refuse to service a anti gay person then why can't an anti gay person refuse service to gays. you can't have your cake and eat it too. you can't say do as I say not as I do.

build a wall around california, everyone who wants to live there gets vaccinated mandatory and leave the rest of use alone. we'd rather take risks with freedom then have no freedom and limit the risk a tiny bit for fake security feeling.


But by that logic, a racist business person could refuse service to blacks, as they had during segregation days.


except the bible don't say and thou shalt be any color but white.

what do you think of black's who oppose gay rights do to their catholic beliefs?


Number 1: I have no problem with gun owners, despite what the "usual suspects" have to say about me. It's the lunatic fringe of the guns rights movement, which gets all the press, that I have a problem with.
Number 2: I am a Christian. I am a baptized, practicing Lutheran. I just have a problem with the Christian right, which does a definite disservice to the whole mainline Christian movement.


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Some men are effeminate and there's a chance they aren't gay but if they are very effeminate, most the time, they are, and they could be the ones that put up with the most because it's more obvious they are gay and people can figure it out easier.


Most gays I know could hardly be considered to be effeminate. They don't look effeminate and they don't act effeminate.

For what it's worth, someone once told me that the bodybuilders you see on the beach in Galveston on summer weekends are nearly all gay. Normally I would think he was imagining things, but the guy who told me that was uncanny in his ability to read people.



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Some men are effeminate and there's a chance they aren't gay but if they are very effeminate, most the time, they are, and they could be the ones that put up with the most because it's more obvious they are gay and people can figure it out easier.


Most gays I know could hardly be considered to be effeminate. They don't look effeminate and they don't act effeminate.

For what it's worth, someone once told me that the bodybuilders you see on the beach in Galveston on summer weekends are nearly all gay. Normally I would think he was imagining things, but the guy who told me that was uncanny in his ability to read people.


My best man, who is gay, is a natural mechanic. I can't even fix my own car. Nothing effeminate about him.


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...a racist business person could refuse service to blacks, as they had during segregation days.
Yes, unless the racist business person is black.
Seriously, when has that happened?

Do you believe racism is just a white phenomenon?


While plenty of non-whites are racists, how much power have they actually possessed in order to disenfranchise "the other" that whites have been able to do with the power that comes with white skin?


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The power of white skin? Never heard of it.



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Some men are effeminate and there's a chance they aren't gay but if they are very effeminate, most the time, they are, and they could be the ones that put up with the most because it's more obvious they are gay and people can figure it out easier.


Most gays I know could hardly be considered to be effeminate. They don't look effeminate and they don't act effeminate.

For what it's worth, someone once told me that the bodybuilders you see on the beach in Galveston on summer weekends are nearly all gay. Normally I would think he was imagining things, but the guy who told me that was uncanny in his ability to read people.


My best man, who is gay, is a natural mechanic. I can't even fix my own car. Nothing effeminate about him.

I didn't type all gay men are effeminate and most people do not guess body builders are gay. An effeminate man is more likely to be thought gay even if he isn't and there are some effeminate men who are gay. I know because I used to hang out at a gay disco and I knew lots and lots of gay effeminate men.